House Raffling

[Almagnus1]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here. I did use "the" in my initial post. But if it's still unclear, housing is a limited resource where players compete against other players for said resource. Hence why I mentioned the pvp (player vs player) aspect. Doesn't matter where it is or isn't listed.

Eh.... I was probably a bit to obtuse with that attempted snarky response, but the main point I was indirectly getting at was that the concept of PvP with housing, while emergent behavior, is probably not what SE had intended, and thus, a flaw in the system.

In an ideal world, SE would be able to get the supply high enough that it would drop demand for housing so the entire concept of housing PvP would disappear.... yet that isn't happenning.

The main trouble with this: You can win a house while offline.
So botters can log to one account, enter raffle, log to another, enter raffle, and keep going. You could enter a raffle with 8 FCs on the same account, giving yourself 8x the chance to win as any random first-time-personal seeker.

And here's something that may not have been made clear... if we have one person enter 8 raffles, they would need enough gil to cover 8 houses as each raffle ticket is the full purchase price of the house. For some that's trivial, but as soon as they win one of those houses (assuming that they do), they automatically get refunded the other 7 (assuming those raffles are still running that is). So while what you're talking about would be doable under this system, it's going to take a pretty hefty amount of gil.

The main thing I'm trying to explore is how a could work with the intent of letting people get away from the house so they're not camping it for like 16 or 17 hours - which is a very concerning thing that the current system is encouraging.

[Catstab]

if we have one person enter 8 raffles, they would need enough gil to cover 8 houses as each raffle ticket is the full purchase price of the house... So while what you're talking about would be doable under this system, it's going to take a pretty hefty amount of gil.

A small house is 3,000,000 gil. So someone who wanted to enter 8 FCs into the raffle would need 24,000,000 gil, or at most 30,000,000 if we are talking a grade 1 plot. Let's be honest, 24-30 million is not 'a hefty amount,' it's a few weeks of earning.

I think this suggestion puts way too much influence in the hands of people who have multiple characters, multiple accounts, and multiple millions of gil. Someone who plays a single character on a standard account would suffer a significantly reduced chance of ever getting a house as compared to today's system.

I agree that the hidden timer and camping is a dreadful system. I dedicate hours of my time on a regular basis to educating campers to help them past it. But a housing lottery/raffle will only cause more problems. It's been suggested a million times, and the potential exploits have been highlighted a million times.

[Arielen]

bad post op

[Almagnus1]

A small house is 3,000,000 gil. So someone who wanted to enter 8 FCs into the raffle would need 24,000,000 gil, or at most 30,000,000 if we are talking a grade 1 plot. Let's be honest, 24-30 million is not 'a hefty amount,' it's a few weeks of earning.

I think this suggestion puts way too much influence in the hands of people who have multiple characters, multiple accounts, and multiple millions of gil. Someone who plays a single character on a standard account would suffer a significantly reduced chance of ever getting a house as compared to today's system.

That also highlights the problems with shell FCs... which is why I would like to see housing for FCs tied to active subscriptions. That's kinda the thing with housing it's not just one issue that's causing the problem, it's a giant pile of issues that are loosely interconnected that are difficult to untangle into a small issue to be rid of.

[PewPewPewPewPew]

Please explain why any FC that has less than the number of players needed to create it (which is 4) should be able to own property. IMO all FCs that have 3 or less members should be stripped of their property after a sufficient amount of time has elapsed so they have the opportunity to bring their FC to bring it up to at least four members.

This is the fifth or sixth time now that you've argued that FCs and their houses should be terminated if the membership count falls below 4. Micro FC's are a thing. You have even acknowledged it in posts.


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Yet whenever asked why, you have continued to dodge. 4-people to make an FC is a technical requirement to make an FC. SE has not written anywhere that a FREE COMPANY must absolutely be no less than four people or else.

> Please explain why you think the number of people in an FC correlates with the proficiency of that FC and the effectiveness/activity level of that FC.
> What exactly is "active"? Who determines what active is? You?
> Why is being over 4 so specifically the difference between being deserving of a house and not?


So if 4 friends are playing actively, and one has an unfortunate circumstance that prevents them from playing or they decided to just quit one day, that FC should be wiped off the planet now according to you and have their house removed. There are 3-man FCs that are more effective and active than some 50-man FCs. But according to you any FC with less than 4 people is an abomination and should face immediate termination.

Once again you've decided this time to move the goal posts as you always do every conversation. So why don't you tell us this time what your excuse is? Are you even capable of thinking about things beyond so strictly black and white?

[Jojoya]

FF14's pvp based housing .

The fallacy is stating this is intended to be PvP housing.

It's not. if they wanted it to be PvP housing, they would never have expanded the number of wards to the point we've had periods where most worlds had surplus housing available for the taking. In 2018, there were dozens if not hundreds of houses available on all but a handful of worlds. It was only when the player population exploded at the start of 2019 that all those available houses started disappearing.

If they intended it to be PvP housing, the demolition timer would never get suspended. It would remain on constantly to force players to stay active to retain their house.

No, this is not intended to be PvP housing no matter how much you want to think it is.

I'm lucky, I have a house. Too many aren't as lucky. That needs to be fixed.

[Sairys]

And maybe SE will go back on their initial design. But you can't use the latter as an argument. I could, for example, argue that instanced housing is boring because everyone can eventually get one if they play the game for long enough. And that's not something worthwhile to strive for.

I would question the actual design and intention behind it?
My understanding has been that the limitations aren't intentionally by design but because the design of wards/gardening has a server cost which causes the limitation. As demand has gone up apartments, wards, and rules have been implemented to increase the accessibility but the rate of ward additions has been subject to server limits.

I think this mindset of housing being something people strive for is also... not accurate.
The current system you just get enough money and then there's a level of chaos that makes actual acquisition effectively random both between releases as well as at them. Factors coming together to randomly mean you get a house isn't an achievement, it's not competitive, it's just luck.

[Divinemights]

Almangus1, you really need to stop
Read your ideas but it seems you don’t realize that you are creating more issues than resolving one
SE is not going to do anything on grandfathered because it has far more negative impacts
You are now extreme far leftist and pretty much intends to violate people’s rights
That is not acceptable in either Western or Eastern
Remember, in general only 5% of player base will use forum regularity
Most of players do not use forum if they are happy
You are now have a dilution of people supporting your fantasy because these people didn’t get their house
Even less than 1% your idea comes true, those who are impacted will come to this forum complains
Just stop, making suggestions is once thing but intends to violate others right is another

Beside if bot and player health is really your concern, isn’t it better just to change it into one player can only click on placard once per time frame (30 mins).
Isn’t this much better than you non sense crusade about relocation timer?

[Almagnus1]

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[Divinemights]

Stop dodging
Just answer me, if bot and player health is the primary concern, isn’t put a restriction onto allow player click only once every 30 mins a much better resolution than your predatory ideas of violate people right to relocate?