Toxic WHM Glare spammers

[RajNish]

Everytime a healer on this thread educates you your response is the same. "I'm not talking about healers who dps. I'm talking about healers that don't heal."

That's a direct contradiction to the title of this post. You specifically called out "toxic white mage glare spammers" instead of "toxic white mages who refuse to heal" Out if ignorance you equated them to being one and the same. If you don't want white mages who dps properly to defend our playstyle then don't title it so misleadingly.

Well, you can say "another weird dude", shrug your shoulders and don't read instead of immediately starting the fight. After all, this is just a game and no one really tells you how you should play. Is that so? I don't understand what makes you keep coming back to my "ignorant" messages over and over again.

I’ve been tanking recently and noticed a few healers who just spam the dps skills when my health is quickly depleting making me pop more cool downs to mitigate the damage, if that’s the case I will pull less mobs.

I see healers not utilise their skills I’ve been in level 60 dungeons and they spam only cure 2, I can’t tank efficiently if I can’t trust my healer.

I love using my whole skill set! And you can still damage and keep everyone topped up all about how you manage your time.

The problem is that they don’t want to heal and they just don’t think that the whole party is forced to reduce their efficiency, which means that the run will go more slower.

Other than that, I'm of the opinion that both healers should use their toolkit when it's needed. Not only one of them.

I think the problem is also in the system itself. For example, in SWTOR you can take one dps with heal instead of heal. Here, unfortunately, variations are impossible, so in some raids or trials you get green dps, although you didn't count on it. In addition, many think that their co-heal will heal alone, so they immediately start dps only without even asking.

[Liam_Harper]

While it's definitely true what people have said in this thread about "I'm not going to overheal if my co-healer casts Medica + Medica II for every AoE" - I'm trying my best to optimize heals as well, waiting for Asylum or Assize if no healing is needed right now, and spamming Glare A LOT - those WHMs who NEVER heal DO exist as well.

Oh they definitely exist. The arguments in this thread are most likely because the majority of us haven't experienced the exaggerated "80% of WhM's don't heal" thing the OP is on about. In my own experience a no-heal glarebot is a very rare sighting. Also as a tip, I'd recommend never waiting on Assize and treating it as a dps oGcd.

The fact the OP seems to have experienced such a high number as 80% suggests it's an issue with their own perception and they're complaining about some healers who are actually optimizing gameplay or waiting on Swiftcasts to Raise or such.

Fully agree on both healers using their toolkit. Learning to recognize when you need to GcD heal or even hardcast rez and biting the bullet is part of being a great healer. However it can go deeper than that. Recognizing your co-healers HoT icons for example helps significantly. Same with Asylum, Soil and especially Earthly Star. A good AST can take a bulk of healing with oGcD's (unless half the group is in Narnia) and should be allowed to and WhM has a slow wind up due to the 30 sec lily wait, so SCH/AST should take the first raidwide.

[RajNish]

The fact the OP seems to have experienced such a high number as 80% suggests it's an issue with their own perception and they're complaining about some healers who are actually optimizing gameplay or waiting on Swiftcasts to Raise or such.

There are a lot of bad healers in this game. If they want to DPS only as WHM, can they at least use assize? Nope, glare glare glare die, glare glare die, idling, die again, glare oops die. Help rezzing? Lol please, they have to glare first.
My experience in Puppet's Bunker basically.

Yes, this healers was definitely "waiting on Swiftcasts".

[Ashemmi]

The stun is exceptionally useful, but then we are also getting into if the tank is competent enough to use their mitigation and never actually SEEN one use AL. the thread is about WHM's which is fine, people can have their opinion and all, but usually if the tank is a moron, cant be bothered to repair their gear responsibly and either does not use mitigation or doesnt even have any on their tool bar... I am too busy to keep from wiping than to worry about tossing out dps. a majority of teh time with rando roulette, its a grab bag of what kind of tank I'll end up with, unless I am running with my friends. If I am, then yes, I'll dps because I know they arent morons

I certainly understand, and I was there just yesterday. The buffoon was intent on standing in every AOE, even when stacked. Mitigation was untimely, though to his credit his gear was recent...enough. That said, I still opened with a Holy gambit on his pulls. Why? That eight seconds of guaranteed little to no damage is the absolute best tool in my kit for that window of time. It feels counter-intuitive, and for the longest time, I maintained the same thought process that you have. The thing is, it is in your power to keep the mobs from hitting the idiot and shorten the total amount of time that they can. It's a big win. If they are *that* bad, you can apply your DoT and pull back knowing you just cut the time of that engagement down by 10% or more.

[Veis_Alveare]

Yes, this healers was definitely "waiting on Swiftcasts".

The idea that someone won't have swift on CD just because they've been using Glare is only further showing your lack of understanding when it comes to WHM.

WHM relies on Swift more for movement than any other job in the game including BLM.

[RajNish]

The idea that someone won't have swift on CD just because they've been using Glare is only further showing your lack of understanding when it comes to WHM.

WHM relies on Swift more for movement than any other job in the game including BLM.

Did you take this seriously? I'm sorry. I didn't mean to mislead you. It was sarcasm. Because the healer in the Bunker, whom I met two days ago, did not help resurrect the group, after the boss of another alliance killed us. He did not wait for the Swiftcast, he just continued to use Glare while I alone was forced to resurrect everyone.

[Granyala]

Nah certainly didnt forget tank stance, was hitiing some slight lag, and yeah usually a pop or two while jogging does the trick, but if your initial pop gets interrupted with rescue, that really doesnt let it go off. For speeds sake, sometimes ill pop AD after the jogging unleash to make sure i tagged the clump while leading them down- at any rate it was just one of the encounters of the dungeons i had done, no problems with any of the other groups. Never had that happen before, and never knew that ability could be used to stun tanks out of their abilities while dragging them far away.
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Yeah unfortunately, like Priests "Leap of Faith" in WoW, Rescue us mostly used to troll other players.
Due to the absurd delay and animation, I find it rather useless for actually saving people, so I don't have it on my bar at all.

Yes, this healers was definitely "waiting on Swiftcasts".

I almost never rez people via hardcast. Just not worth the hassle (since you're forced to abort in 75% of the cases), especially in movement intensive encounters that have no enrage to speak of.

[RajNish]

I almost never rez people via hardcast. Just not worth the hassle (since you're forced to abort in 75% of the cases), especially in movement intensive encounters that have no enrage to speak of.

The person I spoke about in the posts above had a Swiftcast. He just didn't want to res and heal. It is strange for me to see how others are looking for an excuse for such people, although they perfectly understand what I am talking about. Although, apparently, the fear is so great that some dude from the forum will doubt their professionalism...

[LitoSunflower]

I'm a WHM main and I heal. I understand WHM has very powerful DPS for a healer but at the end of the day, your role and the main focus is to heal. PERIOD. A good WHM will be able to keep the party healed without sacrificing DPS.

[Ashemmi]

The person I spoke about in the posts above had a Swiftcast. He just didn't want to res and heal. It is strange for me to see how others are looking for an excuse for such people, although they perfectly understand what I am talking about. Although, apparently, the fear is so great that some dude from the forum will doubt their professionalism...

You're saying 80%, which is inclusive of *most* of us. Are there bad healers, yes. Are there healers who don't do what they are supposed to, also, yes. 80%, nah, your math is off. Personally, I like to find the good in things. We've had some intelligent discussions about the topic. On the same note, I wish I could see the event you are talking about for myself. As you are aware there are a number of factors involved for casters after a wipe. Low MP is just the start of it. Where in the rotation were you? Swift/Lucid/Assize/Thin-Air could potentially be down, or any combination. 2400 MP is quite a bit to get back for someone in near BiS gear when kit is down. What were they wearing? WHM also has a slow spin up. 30 seconds for a lily. Your piety of 1763 is going to restore MP *much* faster than the 868 some WHM might be wearing.

When we play with our friends these things are talked about in voice, or post-mortem. Out in the wild, we're often left on our own to figure out what exactly was going on.