Toxic WHM Glare spammers

[ADVSS]

Especially when it interrupts your action and you get stuck in a damn animation. Ewww...

For sure. Im alright with fun and games, and understand most of the party including myself are running dungeons to get the relic finished, but that one groups was really testing my limits. Trying to establish hate and get pushed to the next set of mobs while popping my aoe hate grabber, idk what they were thinking. Im normally okay with people grabbing by accident or even speeding things along a little bit cause usually i am capable of grabbing before something major happens, but it was obvious the group was in an inhuman level of impatience, and it got bad enough i stopped feeling bad when people had hate because they couldnt give me a chance to grab and establish.

[Granyala]

For sure. Im alright with fun and games, and understand most of the party including myself are running dungeons to get the relic finished, but that one groups was really testing my limits. Trying to establish hate and get pushed to the next set of mobs while popping my aoe hate grabber, idk what they were thinking. Im normally okay with people grabbing by accident or even speeding things along a little bit cause usually i am capable of grabbing before something major happens, but it was obvious the group was in an inhuman level of impatience, and it got bad enough i stopped feeling bad when people had hate because they couldnt give me a chance to grab and establish.

Did you forget your tank stance? Why would you need more than one unleash + the other line AoE thingy to establish -on-the-move- aggro? Both skills can be done while jogging.

As a tank, especially in trivial content, I only stop when the dungeon makes me stop (a.k.a. Walls, doors, forcefields).

[ADVSS]

Did you forget your tank stance? Why would you need more than one unleash + the other line AoE thingy to establish -on-the-move- aggro? Both skills can be done while jogging.

As a tank, especially in trivial content, I only stop when the dungeon makes me stop (a.k.a. Walls, doors, forcefields).

Nah certainly didnt forget tank stance, was hitiing some slight lag, and yeah usually a pop or two while jogging does the trick, but if your initial pop gets interrupted with rescue, that really doesnt let it go off. For speeds sake, sometimes ill pop AD after the jogging unleash to make sure i tagged the clump while leading them down- at any rate it was just one of the encounters of the dungeons i had done, no problems with any of the other groups. Never had that happen before, and never knew that ability could be used to stun tanks out of their abilities while dragging them far away.
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[Granyala]

Nah certainly didnt forget tank stance, was hitiing some slight lag, and yeah usually a pop or two while jogging does the trick, but if your initial pop gets interrupted with rescue, that really doesnt let it go off. For speeds sake, sometimes ill pop AD after the jogging unleash to make sure i tagged the clump while leading them down- at any rate it was just one of the encounters of the dungeons i had done, no problems with any of the other groups. Never had that happen before, and never knew that ability could be used to stun tanks out of their abilities while dragging them far away.
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Yeah unfortunately, like Priests "Leap of Faith" in WoW, Rescue us mostly used to troll other players.
Due to the absurd delay and animation, I find it rather useless for actually saving people, so I don't have it on my bar at all.

Yes, this healers was definitely "waiting on Swiftcasts".

I almost never rez people via hardcast. Just not worth the hassle (since you're forced to abort in 75% of the cases), especially in movement intensive encounters that have no enrage to speak of.

[RajNish]

I almost never rez people via hardcast. Just not worth the hassle (since you're forced to abort in 75% of the cases), especially in movement intensive encounters that have no enrage to speak of.

The person I spoke about in the posts above had a Swiftcast. He just didn't want to res and heal. It is strange for me to see how others are looking for an excuse for such people, although they perfectly understand what I am talking about. Although, apparently, the fear is so great that some dude from the forum will doubt their professionalism...

[Ashemmi]

The person I spoke about in the posts above had a Swiftcast. He just didn't want to res and heal. It is strange for me to see how others are looking for an excuse for such people, although they perfectly understand what I am talking about. Although, apparently, the fear is so great that some dude from the forum will doubt their professionalism...

You're saying 80%, which is inclusive of *most* of us. Are there bad healers, yes. Are there healers who don't do what they are supposed to, also, yes. 80%, nah, your math is off. Personally, I like to find the good in things. We've had some intelligent discussions about the topic. On the same note, I wish I could see the event you are talking about for myself. As you are aware there are a number of factors involved for casters after a wipe. Low MP is just the start of it. Where in the rotation were you? Swift/Lucid/Assize/Thin-Air could potentially be down, or any combination. 2400 MP is quite a bit to get back for someone in near BiS gear when kit is down. What were they wearing? WHM also has a slow spin up. 30 seconds for a lily. Your piety of 1763 is going to restore MP *much* faster than the 868 some WHM might be wearing.

When we play with our friends these things are talked about in voice, or post-mortem. Out in the wild, we're often left on our own to figure out what exactly was going on.

[RajNish]

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You are not 80% of the WHM that I have met. We generally play on different servers. 80% of at least 50 will be 40. Have I met about 40 bad WHM's? Exactly yes. Especially in 70-80 dungeons and raids. So bring your MP/Cast time numbers to these people who do not know how to play, they will be much more useful to them.

[Packetdancer]

...I got wordy. Sorry. Also...

2400 MP is quite a bit to get back for someone in near BiS gear when kit is down. What were they wearing? WHM also has a slow spin up. 30 seconds for a lily. Your piety of 1763 is going to restore MP *much* faster than the 868 some WHM might be wearing.

Heck, I run as WHM with 832 piety. It's actually totally sufficient 99% of the time, especially with Lucid and Thin Air... but that last 1% hurts.

(I've been considering experimenting with dropping even lower, because I've realized that sacrificing roughly 200 piety could get me 200 more Crit and 200 more Det... but that miiiight be pushing my luck.)

[Veis_Alveare]

The person I spoke about in the posts above had a Swiftcast. He just didn't want to res and heal. It is strange for me to see how others are looking for an excuse for such people, although they perfectly understand what I am talking about. Although, apparently, the fear is so great that some dude from the forum will doubt their professionalism...

How do you know?

If things were as chaotic as you claim you probably weren't sitting there tracking when the swiftcast icon popped up on someone's buff bar for the 1 or so second it sits there. Unless people were all dead for more than a full minute you can't he sure they had swift up at all.

Also, frankly, sometimes I won't prioritize raising some people especially towards the end of an encounter. If I'm beating a dps by anything significant and the boss is nearing its end they can walk back. If they want to skip the walk they can learn their rotation.