Class Quests Should Be Required.

[Maeka]

So I did yet another World of Darkness today with people who were seemingly missing vital abilities.

This time, a pair of newbie White Mages who apparently did not have Medica 2. Several group members asked them to please use Medica 2 during the various fights, and they didn't cast it a single time, so we're going to chalk it up to they probably didn't do the class quests.

IMO, before you go to Cape Westwind, Minfilia or perhaps one of the GC Commanders, whoever gives you the quest to go to Westwind should go "You need more training to undertake such a dangerous mission!" And the quest to go to Cape Westwind should be unavailable until the Lv50 class quest has been completed.

They do that very same thing in ShB, where the role quests are required to get to the end of the MSQ in ShB, and I feel we should do the same thing in HW and SB, too.

EDIT: IMO, I think Qing for any x0 duty should require class quests up to that level to be completed.

Like, if you Q up for a Lv50 duty, you must have Lv50 class quest done. If you Q up for a 5/6/7 at Level 70 and you only have the Lv52 class quest done... you can only get Lv50 dungeons.

[Enkidoh]

If they have a Job then they would have had to have done the class quests already in the first place though (you have to do all the class quests through to the final one at level 30 in order to then unlock the Job) - their lack of use of certain spells is probably more just ignorance than laziness (or else they've just used a level skip for that class and thus simply haven't equipped the abilities properly). There are reminders given throughout the game to do class and Job quests at certain level milestones so SE are already encouraging players to do so. The trouble is, you can lead a chocobo to water but you just can't make him drink - players who are ignorant will remain stubbornly so no matter how much you try to advise or encourage them in the correct way of doing something.

Locking content behind a gate that requires some specific requirement (such a class or Job quest to be undertaken) though unfortunately often just ends up being attacked by players complaining about it - we saw this way back at the start of the game where one of the first main story quests required you to buy and equip a full level 5 set of gear instead of the racial gear you started the game as, and players complained about it saying it was an unnecessary roadblock for so early in the game. SE have since watered down that so you only need a level 5 weapon and not the whole set of gear that it originally required.

So alas, I do not SE tightening the rules about this I'm sorry to say.

[Eclipse12187]

Just to add to your initial comments, Medica 2 is a base CNJ spell. It’s learned automatically at 50. No quest required. The WHM 50 skill is Benediction.

[Kurando]

You could add all those requirements and more OP, but players would still find a way to not use them. Regen spammers, Ice mages, mute bards etc, whatever it is it can fall under difference of playstyle; so people will do what they want. If it's really that bad that a duty run is under threat of not being completed, consider kicking the player(s) or just grit your teeth and get through it, you'll only see it again.

[Vickii]

Several group members asked them to please use Medica 2 during the various fights, and they didn't cast it a single time, so we're going to chalk it up to they probably didn't do the class quests.

Nothing in WHM class quests requires or teaches Medica 2.

They most likely didn’t understand the skill, play on console and have it on the second bar, or bought the level up skip.

[Vickii]

I wouldn’t just spam Regen but I don’t think they should be lumped in with the ice mages and mute bards. It’s a key healing tool for WHM, especially at lower levels.

[Masked-dingus]

Nothing in WHM class quests requires or teaches Medica 2.

They most likely didn’t understand the skill, play on console and have it on the second bar, or bought the level up skip.

Or unfortunately, they fall in the category of people that don't want to listen to any advices, i have been meeting a lot of those recently in low level dungeons