Lets talk about the FFXIV player base..

[Starflake]

I feel sympathy for you OP. You are criticizing a legitimately concerning trend in this community and you get told lovers of dragon boys and hrothgar daddies that you need to fix the hate in your heart. This kind of highschool crap is so abundant in this community. If anything, it's more the immaturity of this community that is showing. Too immature to care about own performance and impact on quality of life of their fellow players. It's apathy because I know that if you put in a little bit of time in looking up guide videos for classed you play, you will manage just fine in most content. We don't see that though, do we. A lot of players with shocking performances in this game. The response you got by some people is so predictable at this point, it's actually kind of pathetic.

Maybe someone should give me a Snickers though, so I can also cure all that hate inside my heart lmao

[MagicAura]

I feel sympathy for you OP. You are criticizing a legitimately concerning trend in this community and you get told lovers of dragon boys and hrothgar daddies that you need to fix the hate in your heart. This kind of highschool crap is so abundant in this community. If anything, it's more the immaturity of this community that is showing. Too immature to care about own performance and impact on quality of life of their fellow players. It's apathy because I know that if you put in a little bit of time in looking up guide videos for classed you play, you will manage just fine in most content. We don't see that though, do we. A lot of players with shocking performances in this game. The response you got by some people is so predictable at this point, it's actually kind of pathetic.

Maybe someone should give me a Snickers though, so I can also cure all that hate inside my heart lmao

*gives Starflake a Snickers* (no I don't think you have hate in your heart)

You took the "cure the hate in your heart" comment out of context. It wasn't directed to the OP but rather to a toxic comment made by someone who comes across as arrogant and self-righteous. Which goes to show that the way one gives advice is as important as advice itself. Accepting criticism, even if it's constructive, is not easy in the best of cases. If someone has hundreds of hours invested into a game and someone else comes and tells them they are playing the wrong way, how do you think they'll feel? And what will their first reaction be?

Ultimately people should be fine if others reject help offers. It's a diverse community made of all sorts of individuals from different countries and different life experiences. Also trying to generalise and branding the entire community with various labels, isn't constructive and will never work. Diversity resists such branding. And diversity is power.

[Starflake]

Was under the impression that the quoted person was OP, not that it matters though. His comments aren't toxic at all. Which is yet another one of the buzzwords after thrown around here. I feel like I am playing with a bunch of toddlers here. "How do you think these players must feel when someone experienced tells them they are playing their job wrong :'(? How old does one have to be to write this comment down unironically. Like am I missing something here? It's bad when an experienced players points out your flaws in a video game? It gives people an opportunity to be better? Yeah, a lot of people in this community are cringe alright and it boils down again to my point of immaturity. This is baby mentality, celabrating laziness and stubborness while calling is diversity. I won't partake in that sort of perverse discourse.

But sure, if players want to reject advice, they can do so. It just sums them up quite well as a player and it should come as no surprise to them when that vote kick button comes up because nobody wants to carry a deadbeat player who willingfully remains so. I do agree that not this whole community is like that, these are self evident truths, but people will always nitpick and act as if when talking in a broader sense, it must mean I mean everyone. Come on man.

I think I'll diversify my way out of this conversation.

[DPZ2]

It's bad when an experienced players points out your flaws in a video game? It gives people an opportunity to be better? Yeah, a lot of people in this community are cringe alright and it boils down again to my point of immaturity. This is baby mentality, celabrating laziness and stubborness while calling is diversity. I won't partake in that sort of perverse discourse.

Is it bad when experienced players point out your flaws in a video game? It depends on how you point out those flaws, to whom, and in what context. If the player is in a leveling roulette, you are level 80 and they are level 25, then yes, it's probably bad. If the player has 4 months of experience in this game and you have seven years, then maybe it's bad. If this is the player's first MMO and you've been playing since (ESO/FFXI/WOW beta), then it could be bad. Depends entirely on what you say and how you say it.

You're comment about "baby mentality" and "diversity" leads me to believe that, if you've ever experienced negative feedback from those you lecture about playing correctly, you probably deserved it. Going into any "helpful conversation" with that sort of idea on your mind is guaranteed to draw out a negative response.

In the six years I've been playing this game, I have never run into a situation where someone was kicked for sub-par performance. I have never looked at another player as a "deadbeat". I have never run into someone requiring (or receiving) a lecture on 'how to play better'.

Most importantly, the people who apparently deserve all of this opprobrium do not read the forums. Your words do not touch them.

[MagicAura]

Was under the impression that the quoted person was OP, not that it matters though. His comments aren't toxic at all. Which is yet another one of the buzzwords after thrown around here. I feel like I am playing with a bunch of toddlers here. "How do you think these players must feel when someone experienced tells them they are playing their job wrong :'(? How old does one have to be to write this comment down unironically. Like am I missing something here? It's bad when an experienced players points out your flaws in a video game? It gives people an opportunity to be better? Yeah, a lot of people in this community are cringe alright and it boils down again to my point of immaturity. This is baby mentality, celabrating laziness and stubborness while calling is diversity. I won't partake in that sort of perverse discourse.

But sure, if players want to reject advice, they can do so. It just sums them up quite well as a player and it should come as no surprise to them when that vote kick button comes up because nobody wants to carry a deadbeat player who willingfully remains so. I do agree that not this whole community is like that, these are self evident truths, but people will always nitpick and act as if when talking in a broader sense, it must mean I mean everyone. Come on man.

I think I'll diversify my way out of this conversation.

How old does one have to be to write what I wrote? Let me give you a hint my dear: I'm old enough to be your mother. And yes not a man at all.

If caring for people's feelings is "toddler behaviour" then I'll take my "toddler" behaviour any time over your self-righteous indignation at words I never said.

I'll leave it at that and not bother further. As an LGBTQ+ woman and a person with severe mental health issues, I usually stay away from large forums like this one, mainly because of people like you. This was to be an experiment in broadening my social circles, one that seems to be failing miserably, albeit somewhat spectacularly. Live and learn, I guess.

[Juicymama]

In the six years I've been playing this game, I have never run into a situation where someone was kicked for sub-par performance. I have never looked at another player as a "deadbeat". I have never run into someone requiring (or receiving) a lecture on 'how to play better'.

This, last night in my puppet farming run, i was the pld in an alliance where the 2 healers were dead 90% of the time, which result in the whole alliance dead 90% of the time minus me since i can self heal.

It was rather funny at the 3 robots boss fight my robot was still at 50% when other 2 died lol. yet we never kicked the healers, we just said this is a 1 man party lol

[Waterscape]

This, last night in my puppet farming run, i was the pld in an alliance where the 2 healers were dead 90% of the time, which result in the whole alliance dead 90% of the time minus me since i can self heal.

It was rather funny at the 3 robots boss fight my robot was still at 50% when other 2 died lol. yet we never kicked the healers, we just said this is a 1 man party lol

And you think this is okay to perform like this ? If they are news i can understand but they still need to put some effort in the fight , they are not playing alone and they ruin other player experience

[Fourbestintoner]

I really wish they made trust stronger/didn't punish you giving you less items, let you 8man with them and remake arr, hw, sb with trust, the less I have to deal with the NA playerbase the better.

[Caitsithhh]

-sigh- Tbch this all funnels back to SE. They’ve made it into law by protecting players that play subpar and well below that with their rules. That works for JP just fine since you know, they care about wasting another player’s time and how they themselves perform. For NA, it only protects the players that make the experience pretty crappy for the people that actually care.

[Haruka_R]

I feel sympathy for you OP. You are criticizing a legitimately concerning trend in this community and you get told lovers of dragon boys and hrothgar daddies that you need to fix the hate in your heart. This kind of highschool crap is so abundant in this community. If anything, it's more the immaturity of this community that is showing. Too immature to care about own performance and impact on quality of life of their fellow players. It's apathy because I know that if you put in a little bit of time in looking up guide videos for classed you play, you will manage just fine in most content. We don't see that though, do we. A lot of players with shocking performances in this game. The response you got by some people is so predictable at this point, it's actually kind of pathetic.

That sums it up pretty well.