The Thirteenth's time line flow (POSSIBLE SPOILERS)

[SannaR]

True, it is at least with the tower Emet being arrogant, but with Cyvlla's placement onto the first would be either a lucky shot in the dark or they know a little about how time difference between shards and whatnot works. Obviously some of all of this is the devs hoping we don't think too much about this so they can continue to use the 13th as a oh hey this happened cause Allagans er we mean the void.

[Iscah]

I guess we should just be thankful he remembers to not only grab them from the 13th, but to also put those two into stasis. Then remembering to popping them into their proper worlds and time points.

What do you mean, "proper" worlds and time points? Their proper world is the long-lost Thirteenth. They've been deliberately placed by Elidibus in foreign shards where he wants to mess with events and is manipulating them into doing his dirty work.

True, it is at least with the tower Emet being arrogant, but with Cyvlla's placement onto the first would be either a lucky shot in the dark or they know a little about how time difference between shards and whatnot works.

I don't see the relevance of the time difference, although if the Ascians are spending any amount of time moving between shards then they probably notice that it varies. In any case, they don't need to account for the fluctuations - they just want to bring the First into a ready-for-rejoining state "now" and will hold it there for however long it takes to get things lined up on the Source side of their preparations.

It's not time travel, it's just a difference in how many days have passed on each world over a given span of time.

[SannaR]

What do you mean, "proper" worlds and time points? Their proper world is the long-lost Thirteenth. They've been deliberately placed by Elidibus in foreign shards where he wants to mess with events and is manipulating them into doing his dirty work.





I don't see the relevance of the time difference, although if the Ascians are spending any amount of time moving between shards then they probably notice that it varies. In any case, they don't need to account for the fluctuations - they just want to bring the First into a ready-for-rejoining state "now" and will hold it there for however long it takes to get things lined up on the Source side of their preparations.

It's not time travel, it's just a difference in how many days have passed on each world over a given span of time.

I mean the could have saved her from the 13th and immediately popped her onto the first. Which we just have to assume wasn't the case. Thus the proper time. I meant with worlds in that he knew which one he wanted to send to which world. Like if the source got Cyvlla and the first got Unhakalhi. Do you really think early in their career Braiden would have been convinced to not only allow Unhakalhi to tag along but also to fight? The boy was very unsure of his skills when we were dealing with the warring triad. This is assuming that he also didn't ask Emet to remind him which soul was which that is if they were just souls and actually suspended in a physical form.

If Elidibus just popped her on the 1st without any thought about the time difference then you'd think there'd be a legend of some lady who never seemed to die or age. She would have to either move a lot while keeping her skills somewhat up or go into hermit mode.

[Iscah]

I mean the could have saved her from the 13th and immediately popped her onto the first. Which we just have to assume wasn't the case. Thus the proper time.

There's no "proper time" besides a point in the Ascians' plan where they needed someone to play a part. They do not have control over the flow of time and they cannot see the future. They are working on their plan here and now, which is getting the First set for rejoining and then keeping it there until they can set off an equal calamity in the Source. The time difference doesn't matter. They are working on it "now".

Sure, he probably kept her in stasis until the point where they needed a pawn to manipulate, but that's not some cosmic "proper time", just the point where she got used.

If Elidibus just popped her on the 1st without any thought about the time difference then you'd think there'd be a legend of some lady who never seemed to die or age. She would have to either move a lot while keeping her skills somewhat up or go into hermit mode.

This seems to be exactly the case - she was placed in the First a hundred years ago and hasn't aged since, although the reason is unclear and it may not be anything to do with the time flow.

In any case it's not something Elidibus would necessarily plan for. Does he care what happens after as long as she fulfils her purpose? Is she a conveniently long-lived pawn that they would keep manipulating to serve their purpose of keeping a careful balance of near-flooding Light?

In any case, Elidibus seems to have neglected her entirely in the hundred years since. The plan she was part of has been abandoned, and she has been left to fend for herself. Just a tool that has been tossed aside.

[SannaR]

There's no "proper time" besides a point in the Ascians' plan where they needed someone to play a part. They do not have control over the flow of time and they cannot see the future. They are working on their plan here and now, which is getting the First set for rejoining and then keeping it there until they can set off an equal calamity in the Source. The time difference doesn't matter. They are working on it "now".

Sure, he probably kept her in stasis until the point where they needed a pawn to manipulate, but that's not some cosmic "proper time", just the point where she got used.





This seems to be exactly the case - she was placed in the First a hundred years ago and hasn't aged since, although the reason is unclear and it may not be anything to do with the time flow.

In any case it's not something Elidibus would necessarily plan for. Does he care what happens after as long as she fulfils her purpose? Is she a conveniently long-lived pawn that they would keep manipulating to serve their purpose of keeping a careful balance of near-flooding Light?

In any case, Elidibus seems to have neglected her entirely in the hundred years since. The plan she was part of has been abandoned, and she has been left to fend for herself. Just a tool that has been tossed aside.

Yet they obviously do plan things. I don't remember if she says she was purposely sent there to help and guide specially Ardbert and friends or any WoL that happened to be around when they finally chose to try and rejoin the first. She's over 100yrs old since we know she was around the time before the flood. She was to be struck down by Ardbert and friends, but he said no and killed the her two Ascian taskmasters. Thus causing the flood of light. She is an elf so she can technically live that long, but I suspect she's somewhat like how the scions were while on the 1st.
He probably thought she had been killed off and that Ardbert and friends then got greedy.

Why can't they try and plan for it? Back during the rule of Allag they not only set off the calamity of earth, but set up at least one other via Bahamut. After their oops with the 13th they seem to have gotten it down to a science.