DRK enmity gen vs other tanks

[InfiniDragon]

Yeah...no. I originally didn't want to get too much into this but whatever.



"Using it properly" essentially boils down to "using it on tank busters" because even in savage most bosses don't deal enough damage within 7 seconds to reliably break the shield with anything else. There are of course exceptions but they are few and far between if we exclude taking extra damage on purpose. This is a limitation to TBN that no other tank has to deal with, their low CD mitigation is completely free.

That's actually not true, as evidenced by folks in this thread:

can confirm that 2 e8s autos are enough to break TBN at 500 (BiS w/o weapon because i can't win the coffer roll to save my life)

And the fact that the Balance opener even has you do so right at the pull for an extra Edge. And that's at i500 fully geared, that guy is in the same gear situation as me (full 500 but missing the Edenchoir weapon still). So with lower gear, it will obviously be easier to break since lower HP and all.

You absolutely can use TBN on autos in Savage/Ult content.

[Absurdity]

And the fact that the Balance opener even has you do so right at the pull for an extra Edge. And that's at i500 fully geared, that guy is in the same gear situation as me (full 500 but missing the Edenchoir weapon still). So with lower gear, it will obviously be easier to break since lower HP and all.

You absolutely can use TBN on autos in Savage/Ult content.

That's why I said exceptions exist. Shiva hits you for roughtly 32k on average so of course 2 autos can break the shield and I didn't mention Ultimates on purpose since TBN becomes a lot more useful there, almost every mechanic is able to break the shield.


This doesn't change the fact that TBN is significantly more limited in where you can use it than the other defensive CDs.

[Kabooa]

That's why I said exceptions exist. Shiva hits you for roughtly 32k on average so of course 2 autos can break the shield and I didn't mention Ultimates on purpose since TBN becomes a lot more useful there, almost every mechanic is able to break the shield.


This doesn't change the fact that TBN is significantly more limited in where you can use it than the other defensive CDs.

At the same time, the comparable tools are also stopping nowhere near the amount of damage even a failed TBN would.

If you're not breaking a 25% shield, then by comparison, Shelltron is saving less than 5% of your health, Heart of Stone about 4%, and Nascent none because you're just recovering it anyways.

It's free health, sure, but it also feels like the rest are equally inconsequential if the content in question can't break the bat.

[TheRealQuah]

That's why I said exceptions exist. Shiva hits you for roughtly 32k on average so of course 2 autos can break the shield and I didn't mention Ultimates on purpose since TBN becomes a lot more useful there, almost every mechanic is able to break the shield.


This doesn't change the fact that TBN is significantly more limited in where you can use it than the other defensive CDs.

TBN isn't more limited. In fact, with it's really low cooldown it's the most flexible cooldown in the game. You learn when it can be broken and you use it then. In savage content, almost every raidwide, 2 autos, tank busts, it's insanely flexible. Not to mention shields are better than mitigation. I'd even say, that in any situation where you need to use a cooldown at all, you can use TBN.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

TBN isn't more limited. In fact, with it's really low cooldown it's the most flexible cooldown in the game. You learn when it can be broken and you use it then. In savage content, almost every raidwide, 2 autos, tank busts, it's insanely flexible. Not to mention shields are better than mitigation. I'd even say, that in any situation where you need to use a cooldown at all, you can use TBN.

This is factually wrong, it's the least flexible if you want to get the Dart Arts stored from the TBN breaking. You have no other contingency for consideration, using Sheltron, Heart of Stone or Raw Intuition/ Nascent Flash, you use em whenever you want as long as you have gauge or they're off cooldown. For TBN, you need raidwides to happen, not every two autos will break TBN (most savage boss autos hit like a wet noodle apart from final floor bosses) and tankbusters have been super low per fight this tier. Nothing's stopping you from throwing TBN out every 15 seconds, but your DPS will be a net loss. Correct, HP shields do not get affected by Diminishing Return, that wasn't up for debate in the first place, the whole point of this TBN discussion was whether or not TBN was free, which it is not.