6.0 summoner ideas

[Kabooa]

See? This is what I mean. I wish these threads would make a pre-req that you need to play the job you're discussing, because literally all 3 "points" this user just made are easily demonstrably wrong and there is no evidence that they didn't just SCH to 80.

Taking a 99th Summoner on Ramuh, a single target nigh full uptime fight (So it doesn't benefit one ranged or caster over another), using the current 5.3 summoner who saw a nerf to Tri Disaster's upfront potency, the average expected DPS is 19,200.

99th is pretty close to mechanical perfection, so we can safely just pick any top log from Ramuh near that amount and make a direct conversion.

Rank 68 will serve.

Ruin 3 contributed approximately 3,000 DPS overall. A straight replacement with Ruin 2, were it possible, would reduce this Summoner by 600 DPS. However, since Ruin 4 and Ruin 2 cannot be separated, this means that we are losing Ruin 4s in buff windows, so the reduction is more significant in the general case, however in this one, the reduction is minimal as the only raid buff the Summoner personally benefits from is Chain Strategem. We'll compromise and say 750 DPS is what the summoner loses by not having Ruin 4s in raid windows they normally would have and replacing all Ruin 3s with 2s.

This 19,200 summoner is therefore reduced to 18,450. 18,450 is approximately the 90th percentile, so it's fairly close to 88th.

Prior to 5.3, the Summoner was more represented in speedkills than the Black Mage.

Prior to 5.2, the Summoner was more represented in progression than the Red Mage. Edengrace was not given a Progress metric, likely due to not having time to prepare the site for such once the content actually dropped (We had approximately 2 weeks for Edengate, where as we had same-day drop for Edengrace), however, even when Summoner was both mechanically jank-ier and about equal to the Red Mage in raw power, the Summoner was still preferred in progress. There is no reason to believe this has changed in 5.2 when the Summoner was objectively stronger than Red Mage due to the changes in 5.1.

So addressing each of the claims:

An '99th' troll summoner will fall to 90th - 18,450 raid DPS. A 99th Dancer, highest of the three ranged, for Ramuh is 18,150.

Summoner doesn't have true Ranged Mobility - They pay a tax for every step outside certain windows, but this usually falls in line with where casters are in general - They share about the same overall amount of mobility in terms of instant casts while having similar phases of movement restriction.

There are distinct scenarios where Red Mage's utility is better, but the general case is that Summoner is just as good. For being the "Prog" option, Red Mage is under represented in early prog compared to Summoner.

With the latest patch, Summoner will require extended, divided multi-target fights to pass Black Mage by significant margins again.