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  1. #12651
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBriggs304 View Post
    Its unrealistic when you know what is coming (as we did) yet expect something totally different (as people are doing) and then take the position of not being given said knowledge in the first place.
    What is your argument, exactly? Just because SE was transparent about their intentions doesn't mean the playerbase has to suddenly be receptive of them. People have been asking for male Viera almost the moment it was announced that it was female only; They are entirely within their scope to do this.
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  2. #12652
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warkupo View Post
    What is your argument, exactly? Just because SE was transparent about their intentions doesn't mean the playerbase has to suddenly be receptive of them. People have been asking for male Viera almost the moment it was announced that it was female only; They are entirely within their scope to do this.
    Point proven...
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  3. #12653
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBriggs304 View Post
    Its unrealistic when you know what is coming (as we did) yet expect something totally different (as people are doing) and then take the position of not being given said knowledge in the first place.
    We didnt know it was coming as it was. They had not specified at the time of Viera reveal that there would not be male viera. Prior to that they had not mentioned that it would be two different races split like this. If Im missing something where they specifically said either that we would be getting two different races split like this, then no, we didnt know it 'wasnt coming'. Unless your point relies on lore from another FF Title. And if we get into that, then we are going to have to really get into why the whole Viera lore doesnt even function within FFXIV as it currently is, particularly if you wanted to introduce male viera, it can be done with literally 1 line of dialogue and it would be incredibly believable and logical given FFXIV's world building and background lore and context.
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  4. #12654
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warkupo View Post
    What is your argument, exactly? Just because SE was transparent about their intentions doesn't mean the playerbase has to suddenly be receptive of them. People have been asking for male Viera almost the moment it was announced that it was female only; They are entirely within their scope to do this.
    I already said this earlier, but I'd like to emphasize it again: I've made a viera thread requesting both male and female viera about four years ago. If I'm being honest, I have wanted female and male viera included in this game much longer than that - even before the official race poll. I have been wanting their inclusion for almost a decade now.
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  5. #12655
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    We didnt know it was coming as it was. They had not specified at the time of Viera reveal that there would not be male viera. Prior to that they had not mentioned that it would be two different races split like this. If Im missing something where they specifically said either that we would be getting two different races split like this, then no, we didnt know it 'wasnt coming'. Unless your point relies on lore from another FF Title. And if we get into that, then we are going to have to really get into why the whole Viera lore doesnt even function within FFXIV as it currently is, particularly if you wanted to introduce male viera, it can be done with literally 1 line of dialogue and it would be incredibly believable and logical given FFXIV's world building and background lore and context.
    We knew well before product release and anytime we think Viera, we think Fran.

    We knew.
    We all knew.
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  6. #12656
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    Not in those exact words, but Yoshi P said the lack of male miqo'te and female roegadyn was a problem.

    MAC: In adding female Roegadyn and male Miqo'te into Final Fantasy XIV, how are you going to explain adding them in? Any other new changes to the races in game?

    NY: The lack of female Roegadyn and male Miqo'te was a problem from the beginning. Rather than emphasizing the reason for introducing them, we're seeing it as a way to start fresh with every race having a male and female option available. While we are not considering new playable races until future expansion packs, A Realm Reborn will feature many more options for character customization.

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    Thank you so much for posting this source! Now when peeps ask for it i can give it
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  7. #12657
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazran View Post
    Thank you so much for posting this source! Now when peeps ask for it i can give it
    It might not be the answer you're after, though. The question being asked was how they were going to explain their "sudden" appearance in FFXIV, which was apparently a problem for the XIV team (they did try to get by this issue by having Merlwyb appear). He was not saying "this was a mistake and we won't do it again."
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  8. #12658
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    It might not be the answer you're after, though. The question being asked was how they were going to explain their "sudden" appearance in FFXIV, which was apparently a problem for the XIV team (they did try to get by this issue by having Merlwyb appear). He was not saying "this was a mistake and we won't do it again."
    It more in the vain that Yoshi P saw the gender lock and could have kept it, but didn't. Wanting to start fresh going forward. That they were in favor of more character customization
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  9. #12659
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazran View Post
    ...
    Some more stuff I found:

    Q: On the upper left hand corner of the white board, "Female Highlander", "Male Miqo'te", "Female Roegadyn" and "Must Have". Does this mean that new races could be added?
    A: It's more like something we must have in the game and it's a meeting log from when we were talking about adding them as soon as possible. After we calculate the cost, we will first add the things that are must have. After that, we would like to move on to introducing other races such as Demi Human and Dragons.

    So the missing genders were considered "must have". It seems like, at the time, the missing genders were given priority over new races.
    Dragon refers to au ra, and demi human most likely referring to reptilian or mammalian demi-beastmen.

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  10. #12660
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    Yas! More primary sources! Thank you!
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