Firmament Botting Out Of Control

[Ashiee]

I'm sure people are botting, but the botting accusations are also totally out of control as well.

I know last I went totally ham with gathering last season and doing about 8-16 hours a day (varied), at about a rate of 7500 points an hour, and I was absolutely livid when a person started talking about me purely based on the amount of points I had gained in shout chat. I was super sleep deprived, super agitated because it was not fun for me to be doing, ended up confronting them in game (we are cool now)... but yeah at the time it was super annoying.

Look, if a crafter was gaining 400k - 500k of points consistently a day, that might be suspect (only based on my current crafting rate of about 21k an hour... and there is probably some better rotation I am not doing, someone said they were getting 25-30k an hour) but otherwise, if you are purely accusing people for botting off of points gained, id say like 300k a day, it's kind of not reasonable because you don't know that persons RL playtimes. Some people torture themselves IRL to get that high score. Gathering is the same. Just take whatever a person's rate per hour is times like 24 hours and then just cut off 8 hours for being a human being.

Point being, just don't flat out accuse people purely based on points unless the point gain is just impossible to do at any human pace. If people are openly talking bragging about botting, then yeah report. If their bot breaks and you see them jumping up and down onto a chocobo in the same spot for 10+minutes, then yeah that person is botting, but yeah please bring some actual evidence into it if you are doing so. I see far too many people cry bot when there is no evidence of it.

[Liam_Harper]

Point being, just don't flat out accuse people purely based on points unless the point gain is just impossible to do at any human pace.

Agree on that. Not all bots are going to rack up ridiculously unrealistic scores anyway, that just highlights them as a potential bot. A lot of them are just going to sit around midway between 1st-12th place.

What we need to be looking at more is simply the fact bots do exist. We know botting programs are real and in use, there are discords, forums and websites for them that are public and easy to find with plenty of players admitting to having used one.

What surprises me most is the fact that Enix went ahead with the firmament in its current form anyway. They can't be blind to the fact bots exist, they know their team doesn't have the tools to handle individual player botting, yet they released what amounts to a bot heaven. Crafting and Gathering is in a similar spot ever since the changes, it couldn't be a better set up for bots with easy to level DoL/H, easy to obtain mats and gear and easy to macro recipes all from the safety of your private house where you're undetectable. Sometimes I wonder if they've just given up and are trying to accommodate bots as customers, providing they keep it quiet.