Firmament Botting Out Of Control

[Lecru]

I'm sitting here checking the standings while I idly watch my GF try to place in top twelve. I'm on Excalibur. I'm looking at these people and wondering. SE. HOW are you allowing these people to bot/account share. There is NO WAY the person in top Alchemist has 1.1 MILLION points and they aren't account sharing or botting. Not to mention the Fisher alone has 537k and the next top person is 300 something thousand. Come on man. You guy shave GOT TO GET ON THIS. THIS IS OKAY FOR YOU? Suppose ot be a competition and it's just blatant abuse of the game and going against ToS.

[KDSilver]

As much as it is now a thing that there are a lot of bots in these game.

Do you have any evidence for this ?
I mean, who can really tell what this player is doing ? What if he/she was playing like a LOT ?

I understand the frustration and don't forget that botting might be possible but, except if you have proof, you can't just tell "this one has a LOT of points so this is definitly a bot". Some people spend an insane amount of time for this.

[Lecru]

As much as it is now a thing that there are a lot of bots in these game.

Do you have any evidence for this ?
I mean, who can really tell what this player is doing ? What if he/she was playing like a LOT ?

I understand the frustration and don't forget that botting might be possible but, except if you have proof, you can't just tell "this one has a LOT of points so this is definitly a bot". Some people spend an insane amount of time for this.

The competition has been out for only a few days. Somebody I know last round of comp only had 600k at the END of the competition. SOmebody with 1.1million is NOT logging out. So unless you know somebody that can run on NO SLEEP since Tuesday, which is almost 6 days now, there is no way they should have that much. And the fisher in question has already been questioned by a few for being seen standing in the same spot every single time people have entered the Diadem.

Yeah botting is rampant. Know what? I've reported people WITH proof. Nothing has been done. I've reported people to SE for outright Gil selling, with proof in the form of Linkshell chat with somebody who even BOUGHT FROM THEM, saying the exact method and how they got it. Nothing was done to them. How do I know? That person was in their FC. He wasn't reprimanded at all. So I know for a fact they aren't doing anything. It's being absurd

[Espritduo]

537k on fisher is not really bot-worthy suspicion in and of itself. I myself have 537k on Mateus coincidentally (or not coincidentally if your gf is on Mateus XD), and I am doing this while working full time. Like last time, fishing gives you massive points compared to other gatherers if you know what you're doing. The real grinders who have full days to devote to fishing are already in the 800k-1mil range, with fully legit 18-20 hour day fishing sessions. There ARE bots on the fishing top 12s here and there and us fishers are as annoyed by them as you, but they are not the people you think they are, mostly.

[Lecru]

537k on fisher is not really bot-worthy suspicion in and of itself. I myself have 537k on Mateus coincidentally (or not coincidentally if your gf is on Mateus XD), and I am doing this while working full time. Like last time, fishing gives you massive points compared to other gatherers if you know what you're doing. The real grinders who have full days to devote to fishing are already in the 800k-1mil range, with fully legit 18-20 hour day fishing sessions. There ARE bots on the fishing top 12s here and there and us fishers are as annoyed by them as you, but they are not the people you think they are, mostly.

Oh nah, she's going GSM xD And she's on Excalibur with me. But apparently this person is always in the same spot every single time people I know go in. It's a thing ot look for him now I guess. Which is heavy hinted at botting. Considering th eprogram goes to a specific spot and just plops down and does what it needs to. But the guy with 1.1 mil on Alchemist is 110% sus for either account sharing or something else.

[hqdm]

"anyone who does better than me is botting"
competition half over atm. 4d 18h remain.

i have ~875k rn, only crafting 5-7hr/day. 1.1m not outside realm of feasibility, given a few hrs more invested per day.
even ppl that play 16hr days are still getting healthy amt of sleep. more than double the playtime, so surely double the point can be expected as well, though efficiency may drop with fatigue.

the 2 fisherfells that reached 500k, 600k yesterday on my server are real players, maybe yours is, maybe isn't. 537k a day later within reasonable expectation still.
other friend pushing 12-14h sessions, barely hanging on as btn, 90-100k/day, losing out to player that pushing 16h+ sessions.
in that respect i'm glad i picked doh again... quite lazy compared to him.

sure, some bot may exist, but largely this feel like temper tantrum tier bc unwilling to accept the length achievement hunter will go to for limited-time reward // not willing to go that far yourself.

[Lecru]

"anyone who does better than me is botting"
competition half over atm. 4d 18h remain.

i have ~875k rn, only crafting 5-7hr/day. 1.1m not outside realm of feasibility, given a few hrs more invested per day.
even ppl that play 16hr days are still getting healthy amt of sleep. more than double the playtime, so surely double the point can be expected as well, though efficiency may drop with fatigue.

the 2 fisherfells that reached 500k, 600k yesterday on my server are real players, maybe yours is, maybe isn't. 537k a day later within reasonable expectation still.
other friend pushing 12-14h sessions, barely hanging on as btn, 90-100k/day, losing out to player that pushing 16h+ sessions.
in that respect i'm glad i picked doh again... quite lazy compared to him.

sure, some bot may exist, but largely this feel like temper tantrum tier bc unwilling to accept the length achievement hunter will go to for limited-time reward // not willing to go that far yourself.

I think you missed the part where I said i'm a Saint myself from last tier. I know the lengths. I did it. And in the week that it took us to do it last time, nobody was near 1mil points on my server. At most 700k. But nice job assuming EDIT: Looked back. APPARENTLY there were those that hit that mark. But only at the END. Nowhere NEAR hitting those numbers mid competition.

Also, i've been around since 1.0 and beta of ARR. I've been around the block long enough to not only notice a bot when I see it, but to talk to people who used to bot in the day and how they work. It's not hard when you know exactly what to look for. We're suppose to report them. But apparently nobody at SE knows how to do that at least on the NA servers. When somebody is seen consistently going to the same exact spots down to the coords, that's botting. (As for that fisher). Like you said, we know it happens. And it's reported. SE needs to start enforcing it. Because all that attitude does, the one you have, is simply allow them to continue on instead of pointing out blatant abuses of the system

[hqdm]

I think you missed the part where I said i'm a Saint myself from last tier. I know the lengths. I did it. And in the week that it took us to do it last time, nobody was near 1mil points on my server. At most 700k. But nice job assuming

last time doesn't matter. your server doesn't matter. saint doesn't matter.
different conditions, and ppl more used to crafting / methodology now, even if durability 10 less.

so willing to cry wolf and not look at simple fact that it quite feasible.

[Lecru]

last time doesn't matter. your server doesn't matter. saint doesn't matter.
different conditions, and ppl more used to crafting / methodology now, even if durability 10 less.

so willing to cry wolf and not look at simple fact that it quite feasible.

All i'm hearing is you turning the other cheek to blatant use of third party apps. It's like Among Us. Makes you yourself look sus. YOu gonna sit here and tell us you're fine with botting and account sharing then?

Also also, has nothing to do with "Getting better at" when the craft itself is left to RNG for those pushing experts. If you disagree with that, well, it's obvious you lack any knowledge of it and macro your crafts lol

[KageTokage]

Unless they're out in the open where you can see them crafting, it's honestly not that easy to tell which players are using DoH bots unless they have an established history of botting in other ways (Which several players in my server's top 12 do) that are more easily identified, such as on DoL.

The ones who are using a script basically spam actions non-stop at a consistent pace and go through the crafts much quicker then an actual player would, though. I'm assuming this is why a lot of them choose to craft in places where they cannot be seen by others such as in inn rooms or their houses.