Scholar feels kinda wonky

[Hanayumi]

Yeah... I genuinely hate how Sch plays, its extremely clunky feeling now. Whm and Ast are easy and smooth as butter to handle now, but Sch with pet action delay, the lackluster healing, and the ganky dps, personally just feels like garbo to play...

[Semirhage]

Whm and Ast are easy and smooth as butter to handle now

...Have we played the same ClipMage? WHM is practically immobile and requires clipping your GCD or overwriting your Dia to weave in your oGCDs. That's not my definition of smooth.

[Hanayumi]

...Have we played the same ClipMage? WHM is practically immobile and requires clipping your GCD or overwriting your Dia to weave in your oGCDs. That's not my definition of smooth.

Lol, when has anyone that played Whm cared about clipping and weaving? Certainly not the devs thats for sure, even so its still way more fun and flowy than what Sch currently brings...

[Allegor]

I don't know how to explain it but to me SCH feels fun at ARR/HW levels but on higher level content it feels....disconnected. It's like, it has a kit for everything but at the same time it doesn't feel it belongs there, if that makes sense. It just...doesn't go with the flow as good as AST or even WHM do.

[Sumea]

I was SCH main- Still am 2.X and some 3.X content and I too cannot know what are the positive sides to the class. Granted, I am not lvl 80 but that is not even the point, it is how bad the old skills and new go together and how much class identity is lost due to the pet nerfs (why do we have two fairies if we essentially have one? just remove the other at that point and do not fool us)

Some of old aetherflow looping works but I also cannot just fathom why it cannot be triggered outside combat. This usually forces me to open up with DPS and remember to aetherflow after first few things and hope nothing happens to the tank to distract me from starting my aetherflow loop earlier rather than later.

I also missed the class identity of stacking lot of debuffs and bane, now there is just Art of War, "make enemy taek crit" and - that is it. Just slam one button in dungeon pulls instead of applying DOT's and AOE DOT that tank has to work with in tandem. I feel like main reason is the game is so fast and the dots so slow that it would not work but... Just make the dot's faster? Or whatever else.

For first time I am enjoying white mage immensely more than SCH before even hitting 70 on white mage because lily system is like better aetherflow/lustrate if you are like me, and in old times would keep aetherflows for emergencies that just happened with lot of new players in completely new game.

I dunno how raiding is, I dunno what the final 4 levels will bring to SCH toolkit but pet management was fun, but now gone, I know that I can force the PET ai to become consistent through place command that I still have thank god, but I learned that because I had to use the place command to keep my pet alive in the first place and went "oh, so if she is forced to stay still, my movement will not factor to cancelling her embrace spam" - I also liked the two fairies removal of which is unfair given AST gets to keep it's duality to extent. Eos could be buffed temporarily to heal the same as you, do AOE heal etc, while selene was giving attack buffs and debuffing enemies in trade of less heal/healing supportive actions and now I think we have just tbe 1st skill of both fairies. I am going off memory that is mostly 7 years late at this point so do excuse me.


I can understand that SCH was simplified in HW it was a class I would recommend PS3 players to not try unless they wanted to be challenged because of it's skills, and pet placement among some of class skills like Shadowflare and bubble needing placement that was awkward with controller for long short while until it was improved upon. in HW I think I thought "well now it is better, still challenge to controller players but I could just and just do it, though not as well as keyboard and mouse that I am more used to anyway."

[Sumea]

I should like Art of war in paper, but in principle it is just poor man's holy and I do not think SCH gained from it enough for the loss of everything else.


I dunno just go crazy, make it so that you have passive buff or something depending on the fairy chosen and whatever. Heck, give us pixies as alternative to the fairies or something too.

Overall the class is not... Bad? it is just less good than even the class I would before not consider maining because it was bit less engaging than SCH was, which I enjoyed. Now I am thinking of swapping just while leveling the alt class. A lot of it is "feelings" etc. but I really feel as SCH doing only part of the things I used to, while having poor man's holy and lot of players have ranked SCH as just. According to some calculated data SCH cannot even output damage like White mage (Best) or AST (Way better than SCH) that is silly, since SCH is partially a Summoner as Summoner is partially a SCH, through their ACN base. This class fantasy is gone too because despite this, there is not even much of attack buffs.


This is also a slight thing but I cannot understand why they removed aetherflow progression from lvl 30, it used to be you started getting the stacks starting with 1 from lvl 30/35 onward and start doing at least energy drain. Now they just removed it because it is not useful with new mana system that I am not commenting on further in this post because that is not entirely bad things even to me.


TL;DR: It mostly feels like SCH is these days doing a third of what they used to and the 2/3rds is not filled enough with new stuff, it is like there is small third still missing.

I know these things are hard but never ever did I think about seriously swapping from SCH before this. Not just because I want to be as useful as possible for any raid group I might end up playing with for a short while but because it extra hurts when I have some of the things I still do enjoy a lot but it just does not feel like full package of the new upgrade the class should have had in trade. And no, I do not count new names and animations for the essentially same skill that, which is something I can understand but also not fooling me.

Other side is that ingame trying to inquire about these changes, to get a perspective of those who play the class now went "Well you clearly hate it now and would not understand " like I asked because I don't but want to the shit is this novice network?

[Semirhage]

Lol, when has anyone that played Whm cared about clipping and weaving? Certainly not the devs thats for sure, even so its still way more fun and flowy than what Sch currently brings...

Oh I see. This is standard SCH pearl-clutching "I just Feel So Weak" while side-snipe implying that WHM is for Stoopid Healers who don't care about things like weaving or anything other than Cure spamming. Nothing I haven't heard pretty much nonstop since Heavensward. Welcome to the bottom of the barrel for healer design; the fact that Scholars still take the opportunity to assert this necessitates that they and AST (and they alone, if pressed) deserve better makes me all the more glad I dropped my staff for a DPS role. If SCHs and ASTs are going to react to the Shadowbringers changes with "EW, being a braindead job is WHM's thing! Jeeves, leave them down in this garbage pit and take me back to my manor!" then good luck with 6.0. Y'all deserve this fate.

Scholars gonna Scholar. Carry on.

[Hanayumi]

Oh I see. This is standard SCH pearl-clutching "I just Feel So Weak" while side-snipe implying that WHM is for Stoopid Healers who don\\'t care about things like weaving or anything other than Cure spamming. Nothing I haven\\'t heard pretty much nonstop since Heavensward. Welcome to the bottom of the barrel for healer design; the fact that Scholars still take the opportunity to assert this necessitates that they and AST (and they alone, if pressed) deserve better makes me all the more glad I dropped my staff for a DPS role. If SCHs and ASTs are going to react to the Shadowbringers changes with "EW, being a braindead job is WHM\\'s thing! Jeeves, leave them down in this garbage pit and take me back to my manor!" then good luck with 6.0. Y\\'all deserve this fate.

Scholars gonna Scholar. Carry on.

Whm is in no way bottom barrel, Whm is a beast of a healer and fun to use. I was implying that a job doesnt necessarily need tons of ogcd or have few hard casts to be decent, and knowing devs they\\'ll prolly keep Whm that way. Yet Sch has plenty of these tools but flows so horribly. Anyway, there is definitely a decline of Schs right now, have yet to pug savage as of 5.3 but while running the usual roulettes, unreal, and farming the current Ex, a vast majority of healers have been Whm and Ast, and hopefully devs notice this so they can give Sch some needed changes...

[tikiwiki]

Ruin 2 is damage loss. Imo all healers should have their default attack cast time reduced. Would lessen the pain when weaving. AST has it already so no need there.

sch and whm both weave a lot and now lose damage to heal and have far worse mobility despite constantly getting a large number of ogcds added, it seems absurd to me that not all spam skills are 1.5

[Sumea]

Oh I see. This is standard SCH pearl-clutching "I just Feel So Weak" while side-snipe implying that WHM is for Stoopid Healers who don't care about things like weaving or anything other than Cure spamming. Nothing I haven't heard pretty much nonstop since Heavensward. Welcome to the bottom of the barrel for healer design; the fact that Scholars still take the opportunity to assert this necessitates that they and AST (and they alone, if pressed) deserve better makes me all the more glad I dropped my staff for a DPS role. If SCHs and ASTs are going to react to the Shadowbringers changes with "EW, being a braindead job is WHM's thing! Jeeves, leave them down in this garbage pit and take me back to my manor!" then good luck with 6.0. Y'all deserve this fate.

Scholars gonna Scholar. Carry on.

I do not feel week, I feel like I am playing a worse WHM