Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
I've never seen anybody rip a mob off of me with Shield Lob. Not once. I suppose it could happen between pulls, like if a RDM were to have Verholy/Verflare and/or that Lv80 closer ready from the previous pull and dumps that from the start or something similar, maybe? Or a BRD dumping Barrage? Maybe a MCH who likes opening with Reassemble+Drill/Air Anchor? But other than extreme cases like that, nope. Doesn't happen.



The original point was, that Shield Lob (and similar) generates more threat on pull than Provoke and I've seen plenty of pulls off the tank with Provoke and none with Shield Lob, so.......



FoF can be used while dashing into the boss. *shrug* Never said it couldn't, I didn't really see a reason to mention it. As for "positioning issues", I've never seen it. The boss stops exactly where he is (he'll move a tiny amount) and then I run through him to turn him around almost immediately upon pulling, and he stays right there unless I want him to do otherwise or the fight is scripted (Rukshs Dheem for example) to have the boss move. I don't get why you'd want the boss charging halfway across the arena towards you?



What inspired me to write the OP was a WoD run at the Ahriman boss. Two of the tanks, both in Ironworks gear, both newbies, spamming Provoke on cooldown, and one tank that actually knew what he was doing.

We asked the two newbies to stop provoking and let the experienced tank have him. The newbies ignored requests and kept voking off of each other, even when the experienced tank decided to go to OT mode.

So no matter what, we were screwed as that boss has a number of cone and direction-based attacks, etc.
It doesnt matter if you rip hate immediatly with your first hit, the tank will take the boss back again almost immediatly if you do and at worst you'll take an auto attack, not a big deal.

Using FoF before dashing to a boss will kill your damage, as it will probably cuck you out of a gcd across the FoF window as well as you starting fof on the wrong gcd. By dashing to the boss you delay your melees reaching the boss unless they also use a gap closer (which is bad for thier damage), whereas a shield lob or provoke pull will nicely put it in the center and have the melees hit it straight away, the positioning issues also arise because after a gap closer you're in a short animation lock before you can turn the boss. This is not to mention the fact that unless mechanics dictate otherwise, having the boss in the center is usually more beneficial