More Ethic Hairstyles

[Amnmaat]

Yes, a variety of hair textures is sorely needed in this game. GW2 did a great job with their hair styles.


My only complaint is that the curly hairstyles don't bounce like they should.

Those GW2 curly hairstyles are really good, maybe Square Enix could hire a couple of "western" 3D artists like these.

Alright i'll bite. All hair textures are natural for humans. Mutations are natural. D;
There's no need to figure out who is the proper "other" :T

I never said mutations are not natural. It's very important to get terms right, terms and how they are applied are the basis of communication and discussion threads. One is natural (curly), the other is ethnic (straight).

[Boa-Noah]

I'm not going to derail further, but I do want to say that humans are animals, we evolved just like they did and it's not a coincidence that straight hair is the single most common feature of mammals, not a coincidence either since hair itself is an evolution of the scale in reptiles.

That's all, I won't be responding further, in regards to that topic, it's just important to address things in a factual manner.

GW2 did a great job with their hair styles.

GW2 is the gold standard for character customization in my opinion, they push out hairs somewhat regularly, new weapon skins are pretty much every two weeks, and the dye system is MILES better than what FFXIV can muster, not to mention the character creator itself is way more robust and nuanced than 'pick 1/4'.

[Roda]

GW2 is the gold standard for character customization in my opinion, they push out hairs somewhat regularly, new weapon skins are pretty much every two weeks, and the dye system is MILES better than what FFXIV can muster, not to mention the character creator itself is way more robust and nuanced than 'pick 1/4'.

I can (and have) spend(ed) hours just sitting in the character creator making characters in that game. Even without spending a dime on cosmetics your character can look so interesting/unique.

Another game that got it right, Valley of the Gods, i remember watching the devs workshop the art for the hair
Here's an article about it.
It's a singleplayer adventure game, so you can't quite have that level of animation and lighting here, but here's hoping there will be more itteration on this technique in the future so we can see a more optimized version become standard for all games with character creation♥


Edit, ok bait chomped, that slapped me in the teeth, I have no choice.
Holy crap Amnmaat, please. Humans are animals. Basic fact of reality. If you cannot accept that there is no use talking with you about anything really. Go read any kind of biology book please or take an evening class on biology, for your own sake. Seriously I am concerned at this point. This is not something an adult should go through life not knowing.

[Amnmaat]

I can (and have) spend(ed) hours just sitting in the character creator making characters in that game. Even without spending a dime on cosmetics your character can look so interesting/unique.

Another game that got it right, Valley of the Gods, i remember watching the devs workshop the art for the hair
Here's an article about it.
It's a singleplayer adventure game, so you can't quite have that level of animation and lighting here, but here's hoping there will be more itteration on this technique in the future so we can see a more optimized version become standard for all games with character creation♥

That's natural hair done right. Square enix could get some assistance from their western studios like Crystal dynamics.

Edit, ok bait chomped, that slapped me in the teeth, I have no choice.
Holy crap Amnmaat, please. Humans are animals. Basic fact of reality. If you cannot accept that there is no use talking with you about anything really. Go read any kind of biology book please or take an evening class on biology, for your own sake. Seriously I am concerned at this point. This is not something an adult should go through life not knowing.

I'm not going to derail further, but I do want to say that humans are animals, we evolved just like they did and it's not a coincidence that straight hair is the single most common feature of mammals, not a coincidence either since hair itself is an evolution of the scale in reptiles.

That's all, I won't be responding further, in regards to that topic, it's just important to address things in a factual manner.



GW2 is the gold standard for character customization in my opinion, they push out hairs somewhat regularly, new weapon skins are pretty much every two weeks, and the dye system is MILES better than what FFXIV can muster, not to mention the character creator itself is way more robust and nuanced than 'pick 1/4'.

I won't derail any further either, but I do want to say that humans are not animals, go reproduce with one and see what comes out. Maybe you're an animal haha, I am human.
As to your claim of which is more common; that has no effect on which one appeared more than 100,000 years ago and which one is very recent (straight hair); thus that's the ethnic style.

[Boa-Noah]

Here's an article about it.

Damn they really nailed it with that one, now I'm kind of curious if that kind of hair work will ever be part of FFXIV, I know the way they do it with the helmet and then the tubes/curls could feasibly work in this engine I also feel like the limitations in the system would stop that.

Shame too because that fluffy bounce is PERFECT, would look so good on a lot of the races too, Viera with big curly hair like that would be MWUAH!

[Zakka]

More options, yes more is always better when it comes to character creation.

[lolicon09]

I can (and have) spend(ed) hours just sitting in the character creator making characters in that game. Even without spending a dime on cosmetics your character can look so interesting/unique.

Another game that got it right, Valley of the Gods, i remember watching the devs workshop the art for the hair
Here's an article about it.
It's a singleplayer adventure game, so you can't quite have that level of animation and lighting here, but here's hoping there will be more itteration on this technique in the future so we can see a more optimized version become standard for all games with character creation♥


Edit, ok bait chomped, that slapped me in the teeth, I have no choice.
Holy crap Amnmaat, please. Humans are animals. Basic fact of reality. If you cannot accept that there is no use talking with you about anything really. Go read any kind of biology book please or take an evening class on biology, for your own sake. Seriously I am concerned at this point. This is not something an adult should go through life not knowing.

Hair like that requires some decent physics, which is something this game doesn't have, at all.

[Packetdancer]

Leaving aside the "ethnic" vs. "baseline" argument about hairstyles (though I admittedly understand annoyance at the "ethnic" terminology)... yes, please, more diversity in hairstyles would be great. It seems like 60% of the hair is a variation on "generic vaguely-androgynous male JRPG protagonist".

To add to GW2, Valley of the Gods, et al., I'll note that Monster Hunter World also has some decent hairstyle options with passable physics on them:



I suspect there are limitations in the way the FFXIV engine handles (or "handles") soft-body/cloth/hair physics which would impact any attempt to implement some of these hairstyles, though; I used to use the dreadlocks hairstyle and it clipped through like 80% of the clothing in the game and gradually drove me bonkers. When I changed to short hair for a while, the lack of clipping made it so I just couldn't go back.

[Shinklet]

I'm not going to derail further, but I do want to say that humans are animals, we evolved just like they did and it's not a coincidence that straight hair is the single most common feature of mammals, not a coincidence either since hair itself is an evolution of the scale in reptiles.

What on earth are you on about lmfao

[reivaxe]

Yeah, people need to stfu with arm-chair Paleoanthropology or "umm, Actually ..." arm-chair Paleoanthropology.

This game needs more curly hair, period. That afro is borderline offensive and the female only dreads look like shitty hippy hair.

I truly do hope we get a second hair design contest (that players can't fuck up with player voting, like the gear design contest they should pick the winners themselves). I know a few artist including myself who are more than willing to give SE free work if it means more black hair in this game. At least that way if they don't pick any I could place all the blame on SE instead of this weeby fanbase voting for what they think is cute.

And yes, GW2 has such a great CC system compared to this game it's not even a contest. They have shoulder glam, they have account wide glam locker system, they have dye channels, your character can have different body shapes (!!!) and each race has a fair amount of racial gear that only they can wear. They even had an expac where they gave players a ton of black hair styles and faces. Only thing I don't like is that in order to change your hair you have to use a cash-shop item (You CAN buy cash-shop items with in game money at least).