Really hope next savage tier is delayed.

[MarniDawg]

But everyone is not on equal footing because not everyone has the same schedule. Delaying Savage means there'll be people who will be inconvenienced because they have time off the week the patch is released, but now they have to set another time the week Savage is released.

If you don't want to get spoiled, then just be mindful. Tell your friends where your priority is and then do MSQ when you can. You can still talk to your friends about it afterward.

If they start delaying savage by one week people will be able to plan for it. Moot point.

And it's not only a matter of not getting spoiled. Here are some of your friends chatting it up about the msq that you cant participate with. People enjoy talking about new things. It feels awful to not be able to enjoy it with them.

Also you have to remember the only people this affects is people who raid and many of them are the ones asking for it. It's not like people who are doing the msq only are asking for savage to be delayed. It's the people doing the actual content that are asking for it.

[linayar]

If they start delaying savage by one week people will be able to plan for it. Moot point.

And you can plan things now. Set realistic plans for what you want to do and what you're able to do.

And it's not only a matter of not getting spoiled. Here are some of your friends chatting it up about the msq that you cant participate with. People enjoy talking about new things. It feels awful to not be able to enjoy it with them.

Don't worry, you'll be too busy having fun (or be in hell) progging the first week. So busy, that you can't find time for 5 hours in a week to do MSQ.

Also you have to remember the only people this affects is people who raid and many of them are the ones asking for it. It's not like people who are doing the msq only are asking for savage to be delayed. It's the people doing the actual content that are asking for it.

Irrelevant, because this change affects more than raiders. And different raiders can also want different things. The sooner Savage is released, the more time people have to practice, clear, get loot, etc.

[MarniDawg]

And you can plan things now. Set realistic plans for what you want to do and what you're able to do.

Don't worry, you'll be too busy having fun (or be in hell) progging the first week. So busy, that you can't find time for 5 hours in a week to do MSQ.

Irrelevant, because this change affects more than raiders. And different raiders can also want different things. The sooner Savage is released, the more time people have to practice, clear, get loot, etc.

Who does it affect other than raiders?
Crafters/Gatherers? Oh wait they can just wait a week like all the people who choose to do savage can now.

Do you even try to do week 1 clears because it sounds like you don't?

[linayar]

Who does it affect other than raiders?
Crafters/Gatherers? Oh wait they can just wait a week like all the people who choose to do savage can now.

Do you even try to do week 1 clears because it sounds like you don't?

People who want new gears. People who want to make new things to use/sell.

People can wait, but so can you if you don't have time in week 1 to do everything you want to do.

[Katie_Kitty]

Source?

Well, there's the fact that this has literally never been a debate until now when someone who doesn't even raid decided to post this thread.

[xxvaynxx]

Do you even try to do week 1 clears because it sounds like you don't?

Most likely not but I wouldn't try to convince them, can't really debate with someone about this that doesn't really raid at all/or has only cleared the first fight of a tier and probably by the time where you're probably already decked out in full tome gear or higher.

They have a right to give their opinion but it will always be lesser than the people that actually do this type of content.
It'll be like me throwing out opinions about crafters when I don't even craft.

[linayar]

They have a right to give their opinion but it will always be lesser than the people that actually do this type of content.

That's only if what I say requires me to do that type of content, which is not true. If I'm telling you how to heal in Savage, but I don't do Savage, then you'd have a point. But I don't need to do Savage to tell you that Savage isn't going anywhere once released. The pressure that you have is self-inflicted, and not caused by the game. I don't think FFXIV even has any achievement for clearing Savage first or among the first, not even an achievement for clearing during the tier it's released.

And, as has been said, it affects more than Savage raiders, so it's also a moot point saying non-Savage raider's opinion is "lesser" as if that means anything.

There are even Savage raiders who don't want it delayed, so even there, your comment becomes even more pointless.

[xxvaynxx]

That's only if what I say requires me to do that type of content, which is not true. If I'm telling you how to heal in Savage, but I don't do Savage, then you'd have a point. But I don't need to do Savage to tell you that Savage isn't going anywhere once release. The pressure that you have is self-inflicted, and not caused the game.

And, as has been said, it affects more than Savage raiders, so it's also a moot point saying non-Savage raider's opinion is "lesser" as if that means anything.

I'm talking about getting ready for week 1 prog not savage itself, probably should have made that more clear...though...you also don't do savage or rather the only first floor so my point stands no matter how you take it actually, unless you can prove me wrong that you cleared more floors? I'll gladly take that L and shut up.
It's not a moot point either because its true. You don't do savage or like...only the first fight because you're not good enough to do the other ones, your opinions are lesser. You don't have to worry about preparation because you don't week 1 prog or WR.

So again, your opinions are lesser than actual raider that do raid.
And how does it affect crafting? they don't have to push back to mats that come with the patch. The mats are bought with the previous tier tomes, they can still uncap it. Its not like they have some rule or can't change it.

[linayar]

I'm talking about getting ready for week 1 prog not savage itself, probably should have made that more clear...though...you also don't do savage or rather the only first floor so my point stands no matter how you take it actually, unless you can prove me wrong that you cleared more floors? I'll gladly take that L and shut up.
It's not a moot point either because its true. You don't do savage or like...only the first fight because you're not good enough to do the other ones, your opinions are lesser. You don't have to worry about preparation because you don't week 1 prog or WR.

So again, your opinions are lesser than actual raider that do raid.

No, because I said that it affects non-Savage raiders, which is true. So, how is it lesser of an opinion? If, by lesser, you mean you don't care about it, then I could also not care about your opinion. Does that make your opinion lesser now too?

And how does it affect crafting? they don't have to push back to mats that come with the patch. The mats are bought with the current tier tomes, they can still uncap it. Its not like they have some rule or can't change it.

The current tier tomes are brought along with Savage, and I don't think they would change that.

[xxvaynxx]

Yeah, previous tomes. Which dont get uncapped until new tomes release, which dont come out until savage releases.

Yeah and they can uncap it when 5.4 hits. There is no reason not too since the ilv goes up.
Everything from the 5.2 tomes is useless, more so for the people that raid and heck, even the people doing 24man since...you get the upgrades right? I don't remember.

Because not to be rude, obviously most people and myself asking for this is to prepare for savage.
Its pretty much a pointless wish granted if they DON'T uncap the tomes, because we need the crafted items.