Really hope next savage tier is delayed.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You're welcome to read the thread if you really want to know.

I wasn't aware people are discussing MSQ. If you really want to raid with a static group, then you should go straight into the raid unless your raid schedule leaves room for MSQ. I don't think raid is gated behind MSQ of the same patch.

Its not.


My static did the normal modes, we watched the cutscenes, then jumped straight into savage after.

It took me 4 days to get the msq done because of raid, but I got to watch all of the raid story cutscenes.

Were no world first contenders, but we cleared the first floor and started progging floor 2 in the first week.


The story can wait, as I mentioned, and delaying only leaves you less to do, not more. The story is finished in 1 night. Now suddenly I have to wait a week or 2 to start raid? No thanks.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

MSQ can be a requirement for a trial > gear. And obviously all other crafting requirements.

Also to the point of your post. The only decent argument has been that it delays the release of tomestones. But that argument runs thin. If you rephrase everything to "can we release normal content one week early" that argument falls appart since we're no longer delaying anything. In essence both scenarios are exactly the same, because it's not a delay if it's planned.
The fact that the first savage tier is staggered and works fine is a good indicator that this could also be done with later tiers.

Yes, and the tomestones are also delayed on that initial release.

[EaMett]

Yes, and the tomestones are also delayed on that initial release.

The tomestones would be released on the exact same date as was previously planned. Just msq, normal raids, trials, dungeons, etc. would release a week early. That's my point.
If the thread owner had made a post about how it would be nice to see release of content a week earlier than planned even if it meant tomestones and savage still arrived on the initially planned date. How many people would be here saying it would be a great gesture for the playerbase. We'd be having a very different conversation even though it's exactly the same situation.

[Absurdity]

If the thread owner had made a post about how it would be nice to see release of content a week earlier than planned even if it meant tomestones and savage still arrived on the initially planned date. How many people would be here saying it would be a great gesture for the playerbase. We'd be having a very different conversation even though it's exactly the same situation.

Not really because with only 1 week between the releases it would simply be semantics. It's not that they need this extra week to finish developing savage, the content is already done. You wouldn't be getting normal mode "a week ealier", you'd simply be getting everything else later.


It's very similar to the argument companies have made for on-disc DLC. You're not "unlocking extra content" for money, they simply made content unavailable for you that was already developed. Just that instead of actual money your payment would be having to wait 1-2 weeks in this case.


Let's say 5.4 is gonna take another 6 months from now but they're giving us normal mode and the MSQ in 4 months and then 2 months later they'll patch in savage and the rest. In that case you could atleast believe that they needed those 2 extra months to finish developing the rest of the content.

[Barraind]

The story can wait, as I mentioned, and delaying only leaves you less to do, not more. The story is finished in 1 night. Now suddenly I have to wait a week or 2 to start raid? No thanks.

We delayed savage 2 weeks!

... But you can do the MSQ and all 4 normal raids in one sitting in a couple hours, so woo, I guess!

I'm personally for frontloading as much content as possible, and letting players decide what they want to focus their energy on at any given time.

[xxvaynxx]

Sorry, but that's not an excuse. It doesn't take that long to watch cutscenes while going through the NM raid. And if you can't find a group that can accommodate you, that's not on the game. You do what you must do, but not rushing is still a solution. And if you must use an alt, that's fine too.

Not every group has the gil, but every group has the freedom to not have to force themselves to buy a full set of crafted gears. If they don't have enough skill and want to use new gears to increase chance of success and don't have the gil, they can farm NM and/or tomestone gears before or while doing Savage.

Clearly you have never done the 3rd or last floor fight week 1 or 2.
Not trying to throw shade but you don't have a single savage mount so don't talk about "skill" or are you gonna tell me this is an alt like most people on the forums? Again, no offense.
Its not even about skill at the point, its just reaching the dps check which you need...you guess it. The gil, you need to buy crap ton of pots and food and that can end up costing more than a whole crafted set together if you keep wiping which...you will because no guides are out to help you.
There comes a point there is nothing you can do skill wise, but gear holding you back.

The value is in other people who are not doing WFR. It's a loss for people who are not world first contenders getting delayed their raid, their tomestone gears, and/or possibly their crafted gears.

Here's a thing, people DO NOT need their tome gear if they're not doing savage. What you gonna use it for? those snoozefest expert dgn's? They can honestly wait a week or 2 to start getting it to farm...ex primals I guess and how are people losing out on their crafted gear? you do know the crafted gear mats is bought with the tomes from the previous tier. They wouldn't have to change that since you'll still be able to buy said gear with it.

It doesn't even have to be 2 weeks, it can just be one week as well.
Still waiting for good reason for why delay is a bad thing.
If anything, as I said before its a benefit because people are actually somewhat gear if, again, you play only in DF.

If the issue is gil then I'm sorry to say but if you didn't manage to make enough gil to get pentamelded crafted gear+buff food+pots to raid day 1, in the 6+ months we've had of this raid tier, then 2 weeks or even 3-4 weeks aren't gonna suddenly fix that anyway.

Not everybody crafts, prices sky rocket on raid supplies on first week 1-4 weeks, you can spend over 5 or more mil(DC dependent) for pots and food for only a tiny amount as well. Its easy to say just save up. 2 weeks will help due to the fact mainly battle content players like myself can farm tomes and sell to crafters as the crafted mats are always from the previous tier tomes which can usually get you 1-2mil easy...so yeah.
2 weeks will help a lot.

[Katie_Kitty]

What I don't get is why people who have no recorded history in savage feel the need to push back savage?

Pushing back savage really accomplishes nothing except makes people who like savage wait longer to do it. MSQ is a one-day affair, if you don't have time before raid on release day, then you can do it the next day you don't have raid time. Or you can do it on your day off from work. If you're sooooo intent on trying to get world first then that's you setting your priorities, which is fine, but it doesn't mean your priorities get to dictate to everyone else when they're allowed to start savage. It's incredibly selfish to suggest otherwise.

You wanna get world first? Great, I'm rooting for you! But that means you need to sacrifice other things. Deal with it.

[Barraind]

people DO NOT need their tome gear if they're not doing savage. What you gonna use it for?

It also affects the movement of crafting pieces down a price tier as they add the new crafting pieces to the new uncapped tomestone.

Additionally, weapon purchases.

[NanaWiloh]

So how many people here bend their own arm up behind their back painfully and blame someone else for it?

lastly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqLlZQmepY4

[EaMett]

Not really because with only 1 week between the releases it would simply be semantics. It's not that they need this extra week to finish developing savage, the content is already done. You wouldn't be getting normal mode "a week ealier", you'd simply be getting everything else later.


It's very similar to the argument companies have made for on-disc DLC. You're not "unlocking extra content" for money, they simply made content unavailable for you that was already developed. Just that instead of actual money your payment would be having to wait 1-2 weeks in this case.


Let's say 5.4 is gonna take another 6 months from now but they're giving us normal mode and the MSQ in 4 months and then 2 months later they'll patch in savage and the rest. In that case you could atleast believe that they needed those 2 extra months to finish developing the rest of the content.

It's been semantics from the start. People are reacting to the word "delay" instead of what is being proposed which is staggering/twopart content.
I understand what people are trying to say and it's flawed logic.
If you complain about a delay (in say, releasing tomestones as many have) it means you're necessarily assuming a due date has already been set. There's no delay if there's no due date. A fixed due date is the very basis of this argument (I'm repeating myself but it's important). If you assume a due date, it can be countered with the argument that you would still get the full patch on the due date, and that just some stuff would be released early. As I have done.

Arguing that they could still just move the due date for the entire patch, as you have done, leads to the argument just being cyclical for one but it also completely removes the initial premise that a due date was already set. You're basically creating a different argument on whether or not patches should be released closer to their completion date.

To elaborate on that last point. There's always a buffer between patch completion and patch release.. Patches don't just hit the servers right after they're completed. Releases follow a planned set of internal rules and strategies, roadmaps, etc. So in your words, we're already in an on-disc DLC scenario.
All that is being asked is for this content to be released staggered. Just like 5.3 and 5.4 content is staggered, just like how the first savage tier was staggered, etc. etc. etc. This is an abstract request, totally outside the scope of any due date being defined. No delays and no waiting.
That isn't to say that an argument can't be made against staggering the content. But "delaying/waiting" aren't it since patches are already delayed, you can just twist that around and present it as some content hitting early. Exactly like how mmo devs introduced rested EXP instead of implementing decreasing EXP. Exactly the same thing, just presented differently.