Summoner: An action or a dot?

[HeulGDarian]

They are all characters that are not just one job, yes. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. But let's shift this a bit.

Your argument is basically that, because no character is ever a pure Summoner, there shouldn't be a pure Summoner job in XIV. Yes or no?



My point has never been "we shouldn't have Egis", so you're misunderstanding the point. The point is they should have Summons and only that. I can point at that throughout the series and it's true.

Are you going to repeat the same pure summoner , pure summoner like a broken clock? Im saying 2 things.
1) You arbitrarily picked whats a summoner , you literally said its cause of the old games that summoner exists, and youre ignoring more than half of them, cause it doesnt fit your view.
2) FF14 summoner is a pure summoner. It removed the need for it to spec on the blm, or whm school of thought by giving it its own distinct skillset of magic. THIS is the upgrade the identity of the job needed, whether you like it or not.

You talked about how in ff3 and ffv and ff11 the summoners are pure cause they just summon, but even in those games you could and should still tie abilities and magic from other jobs. in ff 3 it was sage , in ffv any other job you wanted ,in ff11 guess what , you had subjobs that you needed to equip. Now that they gave it the spells that youd have to be on other jobs to get , now it isnt a summoner?