Conclusion: We really like FATES, but lie to ourselves.

[SturmChurro]

If people didn't like fates they wouldn't participate on them. SE would have no incentive to iterate on the fate system in eureka, and make feedback-based improvements on the next evolution to eureka in bozja resistance front.

So yeah.

I must be an outlier then. I hate FATEs, even when there is a reward. I still haven't finished every ShB zone, and I am missing one of the nicer little pets, because I won't do it. I'll get to it eventually, probably. I won't do them, unless there is some sort of substantial reward, or purpose. Like, when ShB first came out, I would use it as supplemental exp gain, doing FATEs inbetween queues. Eureka I only did, because of the rewards, but the eureka community (when I did it) wasn't too bad, cooperative, amd you would see the same faces quite often, it was a little fun. FATEs in the world don't really compare. I still have yet to do the Yokai event, and I was here during it's last iteration, I just kept putting it off, and am now putting it off. I need to get to it though, the rewards would be nice to collect.

If you locked enough rewards behind literally slamming one's head into their desk, people would do it.

That doesn't make slamming one's head into one's desk intrinsically enjoyable.

Nor does it make the means to those rewards not worth making more enjoyable.

Making FATEs more enjoyable, would require a full overhaul of them. I don't really see that happening, ShB was just improved incentives, short term activity for FATEs. As is Yokai, short term. Making the world in general is something I think they struggle with, not that I am offering suggestions. The main thing I personally think (want rather) they should overhaul is PvP, but that is a different discussion.

You probably already made this point, and I'm just agreeing with you, I assume. I only read the top post on this page and the post above this one.

[Shurrikhan]

Making FATEs more enjoyable, would require a full overhaul of them.

I'm not sure it does, unless you just count even revised scaling techniques (e.g. based on active players in the current FATE, rather than at the end of whichever FATE was killed just before) as a "full rehaul". In many cases, it just requires that there be room and need for player interactions. Granted, that is a taller order now when so many means of interactions have been effectively removed from the game as compared to in ARR or HW.

I'm about to head to bed, but I can explain in more detail tomorrow if you're interested.

[WhyAmIHere]

I must be an outlier then. I hate FATEs, even when there is a reward. I still haven't finished every ShB zone, and I am missing one of the nicer little pets, because I won't do it. I'll get to it eventually, probably. I won't do them, unless there is some sort of substantial reward, or purpose. Like, when ShB first came out, I would use it as supplemental exp gain, doing FATEs inbetween queues. Eureka I only did, because of the rewards, but the eureka community (when I did it) wasn't too bad, cooperative, amd you would see the same faces quite often, it was a little fun. FATEs in the world don't really compare. I still have yet to do the Yokai event, and I was here during it's last iteration, I just kept putting it off, and am now putting it off. I need to get to it though, the rewards would be nice to collect.

Im not doing the yokai event, but that's also because I just dont care about it.
I didn't complete the ShB shared fates, because I just dont care.
I did every step of eureka on content.

The problem with FATES, and why I enjoyed Eureka more than I do fates, is because when you're doing fates you're doing them instead of literally anything else in the overworld. wanna craft? do a raid? put up a meme PF? run a roulette? You can do fates while you wait / in the meanwhile.

Whereas eureka that's /all/ you had to do once you were in there. No roulettes, no raiding, no meme PFs, no nothing but you, everyone else, and fates.
The social aspect of eureka was fostered by this shared understanding of "well, what the F else are we gonna do but meme and socialize?"

So maybe it'd be more appropriate for me to have said fates when done well and done in a way that foments social interaction are a good thing. When they can be done in lieu of or in tandem with other things they lose that sense of purpose besides just... being there.