The toxicity starting to happen.

[Connor]

Is it really that hard to just compromise? This whole thread just seems to be people screeching at ‘my way or no way’ at each other?

Why not both? A dungeon can be done quickly while still giving people breathing room. Pulling more than one group at a time as tank and causing a wipe by accident isn’t a big deal, it just means you know what not to do next time. And even if you don’t that’s ok. If a healer says they’re not comfortable with dps’ing does it really matter if they just keep up DoTs or overuse healing gcds? If the healer decides to go full pure dps then does it really matter if nobody dies?

Not everyone has the same skill level or investment in their performance. Not everyone has the same perception of what makes a ‘good run’, or a ‘good player’. Sometimes people just flat out mess up. People are different. Sometimes they’re average, sometimes they’re exceptional, sometimes they’re statistical outliers that nobody can explain lol. Why do we have to keep arguing about ‘tanks should do this’ or ‘dps should never do that’? What’s wrong just accepting our differences and trying to compromise? If one person says they want the dungeon to go fast but the tank isn’t comfortable, what’s wrong with them just taking one extra mob group than every group between them and the next wall

[Doozer]

Is it really that hard to just compromise? This whole thread just seems to be people screeching at ‘my way or no way’ at each other?

Why not both? A dungeon can be done quickly while still giving people breathing room. Pulling more than one group at a time as tank and causing a wipe by accident isn’t a big deal, it just means you know what not to do next time. And even if you don’t that’s ok. If a healer says they’re not comfortable with dps’ing does it really matter if they just keep up DoTs or overuse healing gcds? If the healer decides to go full pure dps then does it really matter if nobody dies?

Not everyone has the same skill level or investment in their performance. Not everyone has the same perception of what makes a ‘good run’, or a ‘good player’. Sometimes people just flat out mess up. People are different. Sometimes they’re average, sometimes they’re exceptional, sometimes they’re statistical outliers that nobody can explain lol. Why do we have to keep arguing about ‘tanks should do this’ or ‘dps should never do that’? What’s wrong just accepting our differences and trying to compromise? If one person says they want the dungeon to go fast but the tank isn’t comfortable, what’s wrong with them just taking one extra mob group than every group between them and the next wall

People here have a tendency to stick to black and white thinking, where something is either the best thing ever or literally the worst. You're either good or a "troglodyte". There is no in between on the official forums, my friend.

It would benefit a lot of them to just relax more. Outside of Savage and Ultimate, there really isn't any reason to be 100% efficient besides personal choice. No wonder they're crabby all the time.

[Veis_Alveare]

People here have a tendency to stick to black and white thinking, where something is either the best thing ever or literally the worst. You're either good or a "troglodyte". There is no in between on the official forums, my friend.

It would benefit a lot of them to just relax more. Outside of Savage and Ultimate, there really isn't any reason to be 100% efficient besides personal choice. No wonder they're crabby all the time.

Based on the fact that I'm the only person around that I see referring to people as troglodytes I'll take this as a passive aggressive subtweet at me.

I will need to put together a burning man glam because of the huge freaking strawman you've built. No wonder you're so combative all the time if you think the only play people deem acceptable is the "best ever" that would be incredibly disheartening.

I just posted a giant "tank basics" post in this same damn page for someone who admitted they were having troubles, complete with reassurance that it might not be their fault as well. Does that track in line with the brush you're trying to paint me (and other people with standards) with? No.

Seems to me the grumpy and uncompromising side is the one who won't even try to do better. I'll take deaths and wipes to people learning and trying to broaden their horizons, you guys are the ones saying to baby pull dungeons because ohno you might have to spend a few hundred more gil on repairs.

[HarleyQueen]

Based on the fact that I'm the only person around that I see referring to people as troglodytes I'll take this as a passive aggressive subtweet at me.

I will need to put together a burning man glam because of the huge freaking strawman you've built. No wonder you're so combative all the time if you think the only play people deem acceptable is the "best ever" that would be incredibly disheartening.

I just posted a giant "tank basics" post in this same damn page for someone who admitted they were having troubles, complete with reassurance that it might not be their fault as well. Does that track in line with the brush you're trying to paint me (and other people with standards) with? No.

Seems to me the grumpy and uncompromising side is the one who won't even try to do better. I'll take deaths and wipes to people learning and trying to broaden their horizons, you guys are the ones saying to baby pull dungeons because ohno you might have to spend a few hundred more gil on repairs.

This is the FFXIV forums, the place where people post about nerfing shinryu 2 years after release, reeeeee about Mist Dragon because MSQ should be brain dead. An effort was made *pet pet* you're talking to a wall of bad though frien

[HeulGDarian]

Is it really that hard to just compromise? This whole thread just seems to be people screeching at ‘my way or no way’ at each other?

Why not both? A dungeon can be done quickly while still giving people breathing room. Pulling more than one group at a time as tank and causing a wipe by accident isn’t a big deal, it just means you know what not to do next time. And even if you don’t that’s ok. If a healer says they’re not comfortable with dps’ing does it really matter if they just keep up DoTs or overuse healing gcds? If the healer decides to go full pure dps then does it really matter if nobody dies?

Not everyone has the same skill level or investment in their performance. Not everyone has the same perception of what makes a ‘good run’, or a ‘good player’. Sometimes people just flat out mess up. People are different. Sometimes they’re average, sometimes they’re exceptional, sometimes they’re statistical outliers that nobody can explain lol. Why do we have to keep arguing about ‘tanks should do this’ or ‘dps should never do that’? What’s wrong just accepting our differences and trying to compromise? If one person says they want the dungeon to go fast but the tank isn’t comfortable, what’s wrong with them just taking one extra mob group than every group between them and the next wall

No need to take it seriously. The community inside the game doesnt reflect what you see here, obviously people some times will do slow cause sometimes there is reasoning behind it, like i dont really ask for people to pull more i just accept it by being dead inside. Its just that forum wise there is this notion that going slowly and playing less buttons is this super secret chill gameplay style that people just dont understand that pisses on most people porridge. People arent dumb they know laziness when they see it , its when they try to pass it as something else that a fight will occur. You can be tired and just want to take it slowly that one time , sure i dont mind lets just go slowly , it will be boring but thats on SE more than on the slow pull from the tank.