People. We need to talk about Limit Breaks.

[Deceptus]

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Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

Which is why I LOVED the Ungarmax being usable on tanks / healers. It gave them some sort of DPS option (it increased party damage by X amount)

But barring that, I am an advocate for a personal limit break system, Trance. Everyone builds up their own limit breaks and uses it on their own.

I don't use it... at all. Ever.

Besides- I usually main a BLM. My ability to do AoE with Flare, Convert, Flare, Freeze to recover mana, and then Fire 3 to pop out another 2 Flares and even a Foul will out DPS any AoE LB1 or 2.
"Black Mage, use LB1 on the mob!" Why? I got this! LB1 is for babies.

A prime example of a bad player. Egotistical.

During that ice phase is the perfect time to use it.

[AnnaUK]

As a newer player I leave it to someone else.. I got told off for using it once :/

[Gothicshark]

Which is why I LOVED the Ungarmax being usable on tanks / healers. It gave them some sort of DPS option (it increased party damage by X amount)

But barring that, I am an advocate for a personal limit break system, Trance. Everyone builds up their own limit breaks and uses it on their own.



A prime example of a bad player. Egotistical.

During that ice phase is the perfect time to use it.

Ego maybe, but their not wrong unless its an LB3 the net loss of DPS doing an LB 1 & 2 during AOE fights is not worth it for a Black Mage. Also, the Ice phase is 1 maybe 2 casts, usually, 1 cast will fill your mana if everything goes right. Now on the daily roulettes, that's when I will use an LB 1 or 2, mostly because it doesn't matter, and I can't use flare yet. But level 80, not worth it for a Black Mage. Melee, other casters, even Aimed is better served with an LB 1 or 2 at 80. In the off chance, you're doing the level 79 dungeon on the random, if I'm feeling lazy, because we just did a wall to wall push with a tank, and the LB 1 is full I'll use it because I haven't started my rotation yet. And also we'll be running again soon, so no need to pop cooldowns for a big AOE fight.

[Blokeymon]

As a newer player I leave it to someone else.. I got told off for using it once :/

See, this right here is another incredibly frustrating problem, which I touched on in the original post. The LB is there to be used, and it's silly to not use it if it's going to benefit everyone.

Unless the fight has specific mechanics that dictate other use (A13 and the new SoS trial for example), ignore the haters. Continue using it where it matters most.

Melee on single targets, ranged/caster on mobs.

[ForteNightshade]

Which is why I LOVED the Ungarmax being usable on tanks / healers. It gave them some sort of DPS option (it increased party damage by X amount)

But barring that, I am an advocate for a personal limit break system, Trance. Everyone builds up their own limit breaks and uses it on their own.

I'd advocate for this on entirely selfish reasons. Right now, no melee player wants to touch LB in Savage because it hurts their parse. If you're ever in PF and you see LB3 being sat on, the melee are playing chicken.

[Liam_Harper]

Like I said, if you need a healer LB3, you got much bigger problems.

And if you need a melee lb3 you have far, far worse problems...

Dying isn't a sign of a major "problem", it happens even in otherwise smooth runs with decent players. People aren't machines and it only takes one derp on a mechanic to accidentally kill you and 3 other dps. I use heal lb3 to save groups or optimize damage all the time. Even in a messy run with bigger problems, as you say, it still often saves a doomed run as long as you time it right. Do you really want to repeat that problem trial over and over because you "needed" that big number on your screen?

Like I said all you gain by blowing lb3 early instead of waiting for 10% is an extra lb1, which is so paltry it might as well not exist. In the same way you're correct people are very misinformed on optimal lb use in dungeons, you're misinformed on optimal lb usage in raids and trials.

I'll take a free safety net in pugs any day over a unnecessary 0.5% increase.

[Esmoire]

Strictly speaking of playing in Duty Finder, this is one of those areas that remind me of how, despite the fact DPS have the least responsibility, they somehow manage to most consistently underperform in that responsibility. Just use the bloody thing! Use it on a big pull. Use it on the mid boss. Just please use it. It will be back to full before you know it.

And I am not letting healers off the hook. Healer LB3, with its ability to skip the weakness state, res confirmation and loading screen, means it takes remarkably little for it to be worth using in a trial or raid. If there's a few bodies on the floor, unless the players are truly horrific, getting them back up will almost always mean you get more damage out of healer lb3 than melee lb3.

[Bsrking5]

In most cases it doesn't change anything if a LB is used in any duty finder instance. Such a largerly unimportant ability. Just like sprint.

[TyrTry]

In most cases it doesn't change anything if a LB is used in any duty finder instance. Such a largerly unimportant ability. Just like sprint.

Hardly "unimportant". Sure, you may go a dungeon without using it, but I've been in plenty of instances throughout the years where it ended up saving the duty from a wipe.

The only problem I see with the LB is players' split decisions on how to optimize it.

1. Use it on the last boss
2. Use it on the mobs if ranged
3. Use it on the first boss if 1st bar
4. Use it on the first set of the final mobs if ranged
5. Wait for someone else to do it because you might screw it up
6. Forget about it completely and focus only on your rotation.

It's not unimportant. Just completely unguided with split expectations.






By the way: I love my sprint.

[Fynlar]

Right now, no melee player wants to touch LB in Savage because it hurts their parse.

So much for parses teaching/encouraging optimal play...

If you're ever in PF and you see LB3 being sat on, the melee are playing chicken.

A surprising number of people simply aren't aware of the LB. I can readily admit I am sometimes guilty myself of getting so drawn into handling both my rotation and the fight mechanics that I forget to LB.

Also I've lost count of the number of situations where a LB3 is ready, most of the party is dead but a healer is alive, and he just kind of stands there and lets himself drop too. I'd imagine a fair number of them don't even have the LB on their hotbars.