The toxicity starting to happen.

[ForteNightshade]

The healer/DPS could just not pull the extra adds? If people are so worried about pull sizes they could just play tanks themselves rather than pushing this kind of drivel

That isn't the argument though. You're moving the goalpost.

You don't have to like a DPS/healer pulling additional mobs but you refusing to take aggro to "teach them a lesson" immediately puts you at fault because their intentions aren't to cause a wipe. Yours are, even if indirectly. Nevertheless, we're now back to arguing the tank sets the pace and all other parties just have to accept it. Which, in my opinion, is nonsense. If anyone should determine the pace (and I don't believe they should), it'd be the healer since they control your HP.

Why did the DPS have to be petty and grief? Two wrongs don't make a right but the blame doesn't lay solely on the tank

Edit: Like I said if the pace of a dungeon is so important to people maybe they should play tanks if they don't want to do that try communicating and maybe compromise a bit.

One more time. It is not griefing.

Griefing means you're deliberately trying to sabotage someone. The equivalent here would be a healer using Rescue only to inadvertently get the DPS killed when said player was perfectly safe but may be trying to sneak in one last hit before moving. Is that griefing? No. You didn't intent to kill the DPS, just as the DPS pulling extra mobs didn't intend to cause a wipe. It just happened.

[jameseoakes]

That isn't the argument though. You're moving the goalpost.

You don't have to like a DPS/healer pulling additional mobs but you refusing to take aggro to "teach them a lesson" immediately puts you at fault because their intentions aren't to cause a wipe. Yours are, even if indirectly. Nevertheless, we're now back to arguing the tank sets the pace and all other parties just have to accept it. Which, in my opinion, is nonsense. If anyone should determine the pace (and I don't believe they should), it'd be the healer since they control your HP.



One more time. It is not griefing.

Griefing means you're deliberately trying to sabotage someone. The equivalent here would be a healer using Rescue only to inadvertently get the DPS killed when said player was perfectly safe but may be trying to sneak in one last hit before moving. Is that griefing? No. You didn't intent to kill the DPS, just as the DPS pulling extra mobs didn't intend to cause a wipe. It just happened.

The tank should be the one doing the pulling, any consequences are the fault of the person that pulled, it would be best if the tank picks them up but if people are deliberately pulling more than the tank wants with talking about it first they have responsibility for them. You don't pull for the tank with maybe the expectation of a stray mob or patrolling adds that are going to aggro the group anyway. The fault lays with the person that pulled not the tank he was doing his job with the pull he did, if you not happy with that you should talk to them and maybe compromise with them rather than be petty about it.

[linayar]

Nevertheless, we're now back to arguing the tank sets the pace and all other parties just have to accept it. Which, in my opinion, is nonsense.

The tank doesn't set the pace. The weakest link (mostly between tank and healer, though DPS can factor in) sets the pace. If the tank wants to pull big, but the healer doesn't, then the tank should pull small, and likewise if the tank wants to pull small.

[Katie_Kitty]

The tank doesn't set the pace. The weakest link (mostly between tank and healer, though DPS can factor in) sets the pace. If the tank wants to pull big, but the healer doesn't, then the tank should pull small, and likewise if the tank wants to pull small.

Could not disagree more. Nobody is ever going to improve if they go through life with everybody catering to their inadequacies. The weakest link needs to be pushed to their limit more than anyone else so they can learn how to play properly.

I don't care if I can tank it or not. What I care about is some simple decency.

Then do your job instead of acting like a bratty child by refusing to pick up mobs when literally all you have to do is press your AoE buttons, which you should be doing anyway. if the DPS brings the mobs right to you then there is NO excuse whatsoever for not picking them up. None.

[linayar]

Could not disagree more. Nobody is ever going to improve if they go through life with everybody catering to their inadequacies. The weakest link needs to be pushed to their limit more than anyone else so they can learn how to play properly.

Certain "inadequacies" are irrelevant or not an inadequacy at all. Not wanting to mass pull a dungeon is one such case.