Housing Ownership Restrictions

[LaylaTsarra]

Thank you Captain Obvious.....

What is obvious is your distain for those who have grandfathered housing. What is also pretty obvious is that SE made the decision to grandfather them and they aren't going to change their mind in-spite of the resentful people like you who think their threads here will make them change their mind.

You can ask that's fine but I also suggest you don't hold your breath.

And I might also add that alts still can't share a house with their main but that house can be shared with friends. Most with multiple homes would have been content to share a house and they couldn't and still can't. What they could do was buy houses for their alts and some took the liberty of doing just that.

If house hoarding is truly a concern of yours, you really need to be petitioning for 8 FCs per account to be lessened. That's the one that's still perfectly possible, with no end in sight.

What would help but not eliminate this is the reducing of the FC exclusivity by giving FC's no more that a week to buy a house when new wards release before private owners can access those houses for purchase. A week for an existing FC is already too long in my opinion. If I had my way I'd give them no more that 2 days.

[Penthea]

And I might also add that alts still can't share a house with their main but that house can be shared with friends. Most with multiple homes would have been content to share a house and they couldn't and still can't. What they could do was buy houses for their alts and some took the liberty of doing just that.

I'm a firm believer that a good way to combat a certain type of activity is to reduce the incentive to engage in said activity.

Certainly allowing all characters in the same server and account to have access to the same private home would reduce the incentive to have multiple houses. Some may even let go of the houses that are not their favourite. Anyone with a larger house like a medium or a mansion could even designate sections to each of their characters, and it could lead to some really nice and interesting decor.

Any private home owner can benefit from a feature like this. SE did express interest in introducing it so I think it's only a matter of time until it comes to the game.

SE could even take it a step further and allow the alts of tenants have access to the same house, which would be beneficial to those who play with multiple accounts.

[Almagnus1]

The issue there, Almagnus is.. Well. It's incredibly unlikely to happen in Japan. Purely because of the society they are a part of.

In japan, they don't want to be a burden to each other. They put major emphasis on family and sticking to said family. So it would take quite a societal shift for this issue to occur in Japan to the point of needing actual action.

(This could be entirely wrong and if that is so, I apologize. It's what I have found out from interacting with japanese families in the past.)

Compared to the materialistic obsession that the "western world" has is definitely an issue, but that's something that we shouldn't really get in to, due to Controversy, politics and that will always start fights. Better not to.

It's almost like the Japanese aren't being selfish about the matter....

Your suggestion is to take away earned in-game rewards, destroying hours of player effort for little to no reward.

Do you realize how many hours members of my FC spent trying to relo to Kurogane, including trying to relo the FC house from Mist to Kurogane only to have nothing?

I imagine they're not alone, and there are probably others in the same boat as well.

Are you suggesting they should be compensated for their efforts?

Besides, the house itself is not a reward. You complete no quests to get it, you just walk over to the placard and pay for it. In other words, it's an item. Yes, you can do a lot with it, but at the end of the day, it's no different to your character than your chocobo.

You admitted that the root of the problem isn't alt houses, as if it wasn't obvious.

So then please explain why it's acceptable to have more than one personal house per service account. And no, "because they were grandfathered in" is not a valid reason here.

We've already talked about the math. 20,220 houses too few is not going to be helped at all based on removing however many of the ~3780 player houses are alt owned. Even if half of all personal houses were owned by alts (which they aren't) we would gain about 1,890 personals, reducing homelessness by 9%.

So... why not increase the number of players able to participate?

Having the change applied in the future prevents alts from getting in the way of mains when the new wards come about. The new wards are the solution, not alienating a small group of loyal players in order to free up a couple tiny corners of existing wards.

You're acting like I'm not in favor of doing both....

And even if we keep adding wards, I doubt that there's enough server capacity to generate the extra wards to match demand, so I see the only real solution here as both adding more wards and also making sure the wards are utilized by as many service accounts as possible.

And I might also add that alts still can't share a house with their main but that house can be shared with friends.

And that's something SE needs to change.

What would help but not eliminate this is the reducing of the FC exclusivity by giving FC's no more that a week to buy a house when new wards release before private owners can access those houses for purchase. A week for an existing FC is already too long in my opinion. If I had my way I'd give them no more that 2 days.

No, the problem is the shell FCs, not the exclusivity. There are plenty of FCs that want a house... but there's also plenty of greedy people that want their 20th or 30th house...

I'm a firm believer that a good way to combat a certain type of activity is to reduce the incentive to engage in said activity.

Certainly allowing all characters in the same server and account to have access to the same private home would reduce the incentive to have multiple houses. Some may even let go of the houses that are not their favourite. Anyone with a larger house like a medium or a mansion could even designate sections to each of their characters, and it could lead to some really nice and interesting decor.

Any private home owner can benefit from a feature like this. SE did express interest in introducing it so I think it's only a matter of time until it comes to the game.

SE could even take it a step further and allow the alts of tenants have access to the same house, which would be beneficial to those who play with multiple accounts.

I mean, it's not like I suggested that or anything....

• All characters [on the same account that are] on [the same] server gain teleport locations to all the houses owned by all the characters on that server.

And yet I'm supposed to be some evil multiple house owner hating miscreant....

[Catstab]

Are you suggesting [My FC, who tried very hard to get to Shirogane housing] should be compensated for their efforts?

I'm not suggesting anything. I'm saying quite clearly that no one who had success with their efforts should have the rewards of that success removed. The people who got houses before your FC did deserve to keep those houses. Your FC deserves another chance at more houses. Thus, new wards. And ta-da, we are back at the point that: the solution is new wards.

Besides, the house itself [That I want taken away from you so I can have it instead] is not a reward. You complete no quests to get it, you just walk over to the placard and pay for it. In other words, it's an item. Yes, you can do a lot with it, but at the end of the day, it's no different to your character than your chocobo.

You've directly contradicted yourself with this statement. Your FC wants "compensation for their efforts" in the form of a house. Yet a house is not "a reward?" Without looking up the definition of "reward" for you, I can confidently say that if you receive something fun as a result of you committing time, effort, and resources: that something is a reward.

So [if we both agree that owners of multiple personal houses are not causing this problem] then please explain why it's acceptable to have more than one personal house per service account. And no, "because they were grandfathered in" is not a valid reason here.

As I originally said, and as you agreed with: the people who own alt houses are not causing this problem. Why is it acceptable? Because it is perfectly within the game rules for those alts to own houses, and because they aren't hurting anyone. You've already agreed with me on this point. Let's move on, please.

So... why not [Punish a couple hundred owners of alt-houses in order to] increase the number of players able to participate [by a couple hundred, of the 20,000+ who are waiting]?

Again, the answer to the question you ask was in my post. You want to punish a couple hundred players who are loyal to ff14 and very invested in the game, so that this problem gets 1% to 3% better. That is no solution at all, and actively hurts current players that SE values. Meanwhile, 6 new wards would reduce the problem by closer to 10% and hurt absolutely no one. It's objectively a better solution.

The only complete solutions that will 100% fix the problem are: 80 new wards or instanced housing for all. SE has done the math and determined that killing .5% of players interest in the game is not the solution to housing 1% of the homeless.

[Kenky]

It's almost like the Japanese aren't being selfish about the matter....

Dude, you need to drop this. Demonizing a natural part of human nature (At least in the western world) is not going to win anybody over to your side. Plenty of people are taught from childhood that stuff is all that matters. People continue to compare their stuff with other peoples stuff and always finding themselves lacking. It's a difference of societal norms and what is accepted / not accepted.

Or, in a way you'll understand. Japan doesn't like to stir the pot, whereas America never lets go of the damn ladle. Bit on the nose, but it's legitimately what materialism is and guess which countries have such a standard as the norm? Now look at all those countries and see just where all the complaints and drama is coming from?