The toxicity starting to happen.

[Veis_Alveare]

So you agree that if people want to play a certain way and insist on doing so that they should make their own party, correct? Whether the pulls are big or small?

Nope!

If you want to go against the grain you should do it in a premade.

The grain is full pulls in level capped content and at least doubles below cap with a few exceptions for super low level stuff where no one has aoe.

If you feel the need to do wall-to-wall in Sastasha, make a premade.

If you feel the need to single pull Hero's Gauntlet, premade.

Both of those things are irregular. Both should not just expect other people to accommodate you.

You spank it - you tank it, simple as that.

As a healer like... cool?

But if you decide not to tank things I pull then I can decide not to heal you at all.

See where the pettiness goes?

[Lumivyory]

As a healer like... cool?
But if you decide not to tank things I pull then I can decide not to heal you at all.
See where the pettiness goes?

And then we all die because there is no one to tank that big pull... was it worth pulling all these mobs? :P

I don't think respecting your party members = pettiness. If you really want a big pull then ASK the tank if they'd be okay with pulling more.

As a tank I know my gear, I know how squishy I am and most of the time where mobs in the dungeon are located and how many of them. If I think that killing a few of them and then pulling the rest that's ahead is a better idea than pulling everything and then dying because I can't take this much damage then this is what I'm gonna do.

Again, instead of disrespectfully pulling things and expecting a tank to save you from mobs they didn't want to pull you should simply ask them.

[Veis_Alveare]

And then we all die because there is no one to tank that big pull... was it worth pulling all these mobs? :P

I don't think respecting your party members = pettiness. If you really want a big pull then ASK the tank if they'd be okay with pulling more.

As a tank I know my gear, I know how squishy I am and most of the time where mobs in the dungeon are located and how many of them. If I think that killing a few of them and then pulling the rest that's ahead is a better idea than pulling everything and then dying because I can't take this much damage then this is what I'm gonna do.

Again, instead of disrespectfully pulling things and expecting a tank to save you from mobs they didn't want to pull you should simply ask them.

All this implies I'd need saving, though.

Realistically with a pull not being tanked enemies are going to be hitting at the very least the healer and the a dps, likely both.

A tank is a luxury, just like a healer is. If people are playing with their brains turned on you dont need both to really participate, even on larger pulls.

But hey, go on being petty I guess. I hope I get you in a roulette one day so I can tank a pull as WHM while healing myself and the dps just to help get that ego in check.

[Awha]

Giving someone a scare is one thing, but letting someone die due to the desire of teaching a lesson is petty and a waste of time especially when a tank can get the aggro with one or two uses of their AoE skills.

[Lumivyory]

All this implies I'd need saving, though.

Realistically with a pull not being tanked enemies are going to be hitting at the very least the healer and the a dps, likely both.

A tank is a luxury, just like a healer is. If people are playing with their brains turned on you dont need both to really participate, even on larger pulls.

But hey, go on being petty I guess. I hope I get you in a roulette one day so I can tank a pull as WHM while healing myself and the dps just to help get that ego in check.

Maybe if you have a lvl 80 gear in a lvl 15 dungeon you can tank a bunch without dying. But when your ilvl and the dungeon are about the same - good luck healing yourself through a big pull. Depending on the levels and gear of the party even the tank could die from a big pull which actually happens a lot when a low level tank is forced to pull more.

Did you even read what I said? Expecting your party members to have a decency to ask for bigger pulls isn't being petty. Honestly tired of people thinking they know better and rushing ahead instead of communicating with each other.

Oh yes, I have a big ego because I want people to stop acting like they know everything and can dictate others how much to pull and how to run a dungeon.

As a WHM main I feel ashamed when I see other healers pulling things before the tank.
Oh but it's so hard to just be nice to others and use your fingers to ask the tank for a bigger pull instead of using them to do something that isn't a part of your job.

Why can't the tank just grab the extra adds the DPS/Healer pulled and then request they not do that? Why do they get to be petty and grief?

If only they listened to that. Some will probably just leave. Everyone's always in a rush and always know better. It's painfully common nowadays and hard to make people listen and understand that you aren't comfortable with a bigger pull. Sometimes letting them tank is the only way to make them stop.

[Veis_Alveare]

Maybe if you have a lvl 80 gear in a lvl 15 dungeon you can tank a bunch without dying. But when your ilvl and the dungeon are about the same - good luck healing yourself through a big pull. Depending on the levels and gear of the party even the tank could die from a big pull which actually happens a lot when a low level tank is forced to pull more.

Did you even read what I said? Expecting your party members to have a decency to ask for bigger pulls isn't being petty. Honestly tired of people thinking they know better and rushing ahead instead of communicating with each other.

Oh yes, I have a big ego because I want people to stop acting like they know everything and can dictate others how much to pull and how to run a dungeon.

As a WHM main I feel ashamed when I see other healers pulling things before the tank.
Oh but it's so hard to just be nice to others and use your fingers to ask the tank for a bigger pull instead of using them to do something that isn't a part of your job.



If only they listened to that. Some will probably just leave. Everyone's always in a rush and always know better. It's painfully common nowadays and hard to make people listen and understand that you aren't comfortable with a bigger pull. Sometimes letting them tank is the only way to make them stop.

Just because you may be incapable of doing something doesn't mean other people are. I've had aggro on the majority of mobs in the final Bardam's pull as a SCH in leveling gear, it's all doable.

What I dont get is the motivation for trying to kill a healer. If you don't want to pull like a normal person for fear of wiping why would you kill your healer which will likely result in a wipe? It's bad cyclic logic. If you're not afraid of wiping due to your need to stroke your tank ego why are you afraid of wiping to pulling normally?

[SturmChurro]

Just because you may be incapable of doing something doesn't mean other people are. I've had aggro on the majority of mobs in the final Bardam's pull as a SCH in leveling gear, it's all doable.

What I dont get is the motivation for trying to kill a healer. If you don't want to pull like a normal person for fear of wiping why would you kill your healer which will likely result in a wipe? It's bad cyclic logic. If you're not afraid of wiping due to your need to stroke your tank ego why are you afraid of wiping to pulling normally?

Yeah.. if you are wearing leveling gear you can still tank fine, more than fine, in leveling dungeons.. You can tank all of the dungeons 71-80 (and do big pulls) in augmented scaevan, as an example. They will always blame the tank if they wipe, but I know it's actually the dps, healer, or a combination of the two a lot of the time. Taking two centuries to kill a big pull and having to use up major cds is on them. Unfortunately. DPS often refuse to do aoe, on top of the healer never doing damage. Holy can help quite a bit in pulls..

[Lumivyory]

Just because you may be incapable of doing something doesn't mean other people are. I've had aggro on the majority of mobs in the final Bardam's pull as a SCH in leveling gear, it's all doable.

What I dont get is the motivation for trying to kill a healer. If you don't want to pull like a normal person for fear of wiping why would you kill your healer which will likely result in a wipe? It's bad cyclic logic. If you're not afraid of wiping due to your need to stroke your tank ego why are you afraid of wiping to pulling normally?

Just because you didn't die on that pull it doesn't mean you couldn't potentially die on a different pull. I've tanked as a healer before, sometimes you die, sometimes you live. I didn't say it wasn't doable but a healer isn't suited for taking so much damage.

Where did I ever say anything about killing someone to begin with? You were the one to assume that :')
Do I let people tank when they pull extra mobs? Yes. Do I let them die? No, not usually. I'd only let them die if they were told to stop and didn't listen.

What I don't get is why it's so hard to use a chat instead of silently pulling mobs.

[SturmChurro]

Just because you didn't die on that pull it doesn't mean you couldn't potentially die on a different pull. I've tanked as a healer before, sometimes you die, sometimes you live. I didn't say it wasn't doable but a healer isn't suited for taking so much damage.

Where did I ever say anything about killing someone to begin with? You were the one to assume that :')
Do I let people tank when they pull extra mobs? Yes. Do I let them die? No, not usually. I'd only let them die if they were told to stop and didn't listen.

What I don't get is why it's so hard to use a chat instead of silently pulling mobs.

That is bannable by the way. If you refuse to heal, rather if you "tell them to stop and they didn't listen", and that is why you didn't heal. Doesn't matter if you did it only once. If you haven't gotten banned be glad they didn't report you, well if you put your little reasoning in the chat.