The toxicity starting to happen.

[Katie_Kitty]

So you agree that if people want to play a certain way and insist on doing so that they should make their own party, correct? Whether the pulls are big or small?

Bottom line, the person who wants bigger pulls always wins. If I'm the tank I'm gonna pull what I want. If I'm not the tank and you're sitting there bashing away at 2 mobs you bet I'm gonna pull more and bring them to you. Then you hit your AoE buttons to take them off me, simple as that.

[Doozer]

Bottom line, the person who wants bigger pulls always wins.

Can I get a source on that? I must've missed the memo about game rules that dictates people absolutely must do big pulls.

Also... I don't think what you said even has anything to do with what I said. Someone said that if people want big pulls, they should start their own premade group. So someone else said the opposite, that if someone wants small pulls, they should start their own premade group. So I asked if they agree that if people want a dungeon to go a certain way that they should make their own group if they absolutely insist on it being that way. Not really related to what you said. But thanks anyway.

[phantomr23]

Oh, good, another "somebody asked the tank to do the bare minimum and this is oppressing my playstyle" thread. Single packs can be done with just DPS, you don't even need a tank. If you're a tank and you're not at least double pulling then you're putting forth a frankly depressing lack of effort and are technically obsolete. Sure, people need to learn but you look at Sastasha, Copperbell Mine and Halatali and tell me they're not designed for more than one pack to be pulled at once - Sastasha even places the clams right next to groups of enemies to be very obviously picked up. Plus, I'd rather a tank eat dirt a few times actually trying than slowly go through at the barest minimum of effort in a team game.

[Nestama]

So you agree that if people want to play a certain way and insist on doing so that they should make their own party, correct? Whether the pulls are big or small?

I think it was more of a "your argument can easily be turned back against you, try again."
But really. Big pulls are the norm (9/10 times I will get a tank who will try to pull wall to wall). I don't get why anyone would be against them. It's so easy.

[Doozer]

I think it was more of a "your argument can easily be turned back against you, try again."
But really. Big pulls are the norm (9/10 times I will get a tank who will try to pull wall to wall). I don't get why anyone would be against them. It's so easy.

It's not a matter of being against them, it's that one way is (claimed to be) enforced, whereas one is Literally The Worst Thing You Can Do In The Game.

If you think someone should make a party finder or premade group for wanting to play a certain way, that applies to every way of playing. Period.

[Nestama]

It's claimed to be enforced because people have been doing it since Wanderer's Palace, Amdapor Keep and Praetorium back in 2013 (though PS3 players were often excluded and it was very easy to tell who was on a PS3. Very long loading times). To not do it for X reason, especially in Shadowbringers where holding hate is extremely easy and doesn't penalise your DPS at all, it's a little silly. Especially in dungeons like Heroes' Gauntlet where doing small pulls just... it feels bad.

[Mixt]

Bottom line, the person who wants bigger pulls always wins. If I'm the tank I'm gonna pull what I want. If I'm not the tank and you're sitting there bashing away at 2 mobs you bet I'm gonna pull more and bring them to you. Then you hit your AoE buttons to take them off me, simple as that.

It's not a win if you wipe as a result.

That's a case of everyone losing.

[GrimGale]

Toxicity? I wish. Most interactions I had in this game are just silence. I wonder if I am not playing with NPCs after all.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

It's not a win if you wipe as a result.

That's a case of everyone losing.

Wiping doesn't hurt anyone and that's usually how people learn.

It's a case of "We wiped because I did X and should've done Y", not "It's a wipe because we pulled big". That's called not leaving your comfort zone and refusing to learn more.

Your attitude is the equivalent of "Oh, I died because of Coincounter's Swipe. Well, guess I better not run dungeons anymore."

[TaleraRistain]

Curious question for anyone that has played the game for at least a year: how many encounters with single pack pulling tanks out of those 365 days do you encounter?

Idk about you all but last year, that number couldn't have exceeded over 20 maximum. This over the course of expert and 50-60-70(and now 80) which I regularly used to do. If I had to look back in the last three months, yesterday was my second encounter with a single pack puller.

Now I will admit I haven't stepped in leveling roulette since this year began so obviously, my numbers are quite skewered but still, I'm genuinely curious which kind of roulette this is happening from an apparent regular basis for this type of topic rear its head many times over.

Not too many. I encounter the other extreme a lot. Squishy tanks who probably should dial it back but have been conditioned by the community that they must always pull big. Even when our dps may not be up to snuff.

A lot of people would be a lot happier with DF if they left their expectations at the door. I'm pleasantly surprised if we have a smooth run that works like clockwork. And I dig in my heels and work my ass off to make order from chaos if we have a group that isn't quite the same well-oiled machine. The only DF party I'm ever unhappy with is one with an intentional troll who is just there to grief us. And I can count on one hand when that's happened. All I expect out of my party is what we need to do to succeed, and a positive attitude when we have failures so we can psych each other up and get through things.