Dps meters

[tdb]

I guess it largely depends on what the overall attitude of groups is. It makes sense to ask for understanding the mechanics and enough dps to beat the enrage. But everyone has bad days, and lag an other issues happen. So I fear groups would start asking for significantly more dps than is necessary to provide themselves with a cushion against those random factors. If you only want to play with other elite players, you should make a static, not put up a PF.

Of course, if someone is having a bad day, or is too drunk to play, or whatever, the polite thing to do is to leave the group and not drag the others down. Or not join in the first place, but you don't always know these things beforehand.

[ForteNightshade]

I guess it largely depends on what the overall attitude of groups is. It makes sense to ask for understanding the mechanics and enough dps to beat the enrage. But everyone has bad days, and lag an other issues happen. So I fear groups would start asking for significantly more dps than is necessary to provide themselves with a cushion against those random factors. If you only want to play with other elite players, you should make a static, not put up a PF.

Of course, if someone is having a bad day, or is too drunk to play, or whatever, the polite thing to do is to leave the group and not drag the others down. Or not join in the first place, but you don't always know these things beforehand.

Once again. Why is this a bad thing? Asking for "significantly higher DPS" isn't elitism. It's wanting faster kills and a potential to skip mechanics. You're still asking players to tolerate others who—in your own words—may be drunk. That's absurd. It's their PF. If they want to restrict it to only half-naked catgirl, not only is that their prerogative. They can kick whomever doesn't meet such a criteria. You're still essentially arguing a person is entitled to clearing content no matter what. They aren't.

Everyone has a bad day. But that isn't anyone else's concern nor are they obligated to carry you through because of it. Or rather, they shouldn't be.

[Melichoir]

I am glad they aren't in the game.. coming from WoW I have seen the trouble they bring.

I am confused though.. if dps meters aren't allowed in the game why do I see youtubers from this game showing themselves playing while using one?

Ill bite cause why not.

The general position devs have given regarding the ToS is to use it as they need to. Meaning, yes it is against the ToS to use a parser however as long as you arent harassing anyone or 'doxxing' someone (and I use that term incredibly loosely here) to name and shame, they dont care. The second you start trash talking someone about their damage, the GMs can come in and ban hammer your butt for using one. But as long as you remain friendly and neutral about partying and dont explicitly go after people for the damage they do, they wont do anything.

The general reasoning given, btw, is what parsing is. Parsers that are in use pretty much just read your combat log and organize that data into a format you can read. You could technically do the exact same thing a parser does manually but god the effort in doing so would be ridiculous. Parsers just organize that data for you. Keep in mind, however, that some other addons will get you a ban right away. Any addon or background program that allows you to 'cheat' the fight by showing telegraphs that normally wouldnt be there or other mechanics that give you an edge to completing the fight are bannable. Since parsing is just reading your combat logs, it doesnt give you any kind of edge on beating the content.

Whether you use one or not is your own choice, but the official stance is "Dont be using it and you will get punished if we catch you using it while harassing other players."

[tdb]

Once again. Why is this a bad thing? Asking for "significantly higher DPS" isn't elitism. It's wanting faster kills and a potential to skip mechanics. You're still asking players to tolerate others who—in your own words—may be drunk. That's absurd. It's their PF. If they want to restrict it to only half-naked catgirl, not only is that their prerogative. They can kick whomever doesn't meet such a criteria.

It's pretty much the textbook definition of elitism. The elite raiders feel that because they are elite raiders, they are more deserving to get the loot than someone who is a merely okay raider. It's a bad thing because it will lead to segregation of the player base and discrimination. If the elites huddle with themselves, that leaves the okay players to deal with the bad ones.

You're still essentially arguing a person is entitled to clearing content no matter what. They aren't.

Everyone has a bad day. But that isn't anyone else's concern nor are they obligated to carry you through because of it. Or rather, they shouldn't be.

You're misreading me. I'm not saying that anyone should be entitled to a clear regardless of skill. I'm saying that if you can pull your weight, you should be allowed to join a party. You shouldn't be required to show 18k dps for a fight which only needs 14k to clear. If you're having a bad day, your ISP is having the lags or you're too drunk to play properly, then you should try again another time.

[Katie_Kitty]

It's a bad thing because it will lead to segregation of the player base and discrimination. If the elites huddle with themselves, that leaves the okay players to deal with the bad ones.

That's rather hypocritical, don't you think? "It's okay if I don't wanna deal with bad players, but you are not allowed to do the same!"

[tdb]

That's rather hypocritical, don't you think? "It's okay if I don't wanna deal with bad players, but you are not allowed to do the same!"

But I'm not asking you to deal with the bad players. If you can clear the fight, I'm only asking you to deal with other players who can also clear the fight. Sounds fair, no?

[Seddrinth]

I am glad they aren't in the game.. coming from WoW I have seen the trouble they bring.

I am confused though.. if dps meters aren't allowed in the game why do I see youtubers from this game showing themselves playing while using one?

Dps meters are definitely allowed. Many players use them for self improvement. You just can't use it to harass others.

[Seddrinth]

But I'm not asking you to deal with the bad players. If you can clear the fight, I'm only asking you to deal with other players who can also clear the fight. Sounds fair, no?

It's not fair at all. Players have the right to choose who they want to team with. There's nothing wrong with a competent players preferring to team up with other players that are the same level as far as dps and/or mechanics. It's the same as casual players preferring to play with other casual players, and not wanting to team up with min/max hardcore level players. Every person has the right to choose, and that is not elitism or toxicity.

tldr: you can't use a dps meter to harass me, but you can use it to determine if you want to play with someone of my level

[MsMisato]

It's a good tool for improvement. Just too many people end up calling, belittling and what no on people who do not perform well.

Honestly just don't talk about it in game unless you're with ppl you absolute trust. Use it til your hearts content but keep out of in game chat and be mindful of what you say while streaming the game.

Dont be an ass when using it otherwise. Simple as that.

[Gothicshark]

I am glad they aren't in the game.. coming from WoW I have seen the trouble they bring.

I am confused though.. if dps meters aren't allowed in the game why do I see youtubers from this game showing themselves playing while using one?

Because the are breaking the TOS and using ACT which is a tool to do that and other things, to include integration with a website that monitors performance. So yes there are DPS meters, yes there is website tracking for elitists. No, they are not allowed to do this but get away with it because SE can only ban what they can prove. So if you are playing with someone and they report that they use ACT and act toxically in chat, report them. That is super easy to do.