New Races

[EtherRose]

Whats funny is Yoshi said he wouldn't add more races due to resources and time. Then they add not only 1, but 2 new races and you see how that went. It was mainly due to popularity of Viera and Hrothgar was a personal choice of the team apparently. You see, they do something nice for the community even though they weren't going to do it and everyone acts self-entitled over it. Mainly for Viera as Hrothgar has very, very little support.

[tdb]

Mainly for Viera as Hrothgar has very, very little support.

Hrothgar appeals to me more TBH. I'd need the female option to really consider playing one though. Even by FFXIV's standards the Viera look like supermodels, and the default outfit is uncomfortably revealing to my tastes. I don't mind other players looking like that, it's just not me.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

Please stop with new races as this game don’t need it
WoW keep bring in new races because their devs are incompetent in creating meaningful contents to make people remain subsribed

Bit hypocritical coming from someone playing a viera.

Races are content, and they can be very meaningful to people, the new races and customizations that came out recently in WoW and are scheduled for ShL are some of the most positively received things in the game. They're a part of cosmetics- and anyone who thinks cosmetics isn't something that matters to players is utterly ignorant to what gamers want.

That said- we finally did get our beast race, the hrothgar, after people asked for so long for something different from human looking races- yet the census shows basically nobody is playing it. Considering the amount of work it takes to make races, SE is going to want them to get good use and I imagine they're looking at the amount of work it will take to make female hrothgar, realizing it will be almost completely unused and aren't overly eager to allocate resources towards that. It's unfortunate- but the community tells SE a lot by our behaviour.

[Shougun]

Bit hypocritical coming from someone playing a viera.

Races are content, and they can be very meaningful to people, the new races and customizations that came out recently in WoW and are scheduled for ShL are some of the most positively received things in the game. They're a part of cosmetics- and anyone who thinks cosmetics isn't something that matters to players is utterly ignorant to what gamers want.

That said- we finally did get our beast race, the hrothgar, after people asked for so long for something different from human looking races- yet the census shows basically nobody is playing it. Considering the amount of work it takes to make races, SE is going to want them to get good use and I imagine they're looking at the amount of work it will take to make female hrothgar, realizing it will be almost completely unused and aren't overly eager to allocate resources towards that. It's unfortunate- but the community tells SE a lot by our behaviour.

Again still think that's the wrong way to look at beast race. Look at beast race more like ultimate. It's good for the few that do it, they've no other content like it if you removed it. Beast race, across ALL mmos, is always one of the less popular ones compared to classic human shapes, super model shapes, etc (although WoW has a number of popular not stereotypically pretty / standard races, substantial population if you add them together by groups of pretty/standard vs not). Still I think there is a unique value in offering something new over offering a different shade of the same thing you're already offering. Does that mean to stop adding shades because it's popular? No of course not, but if you've no ultimate content then perhaps maybe you should have it. Your 8th variation of chocolate might be more popular than your red bean ice cream but that doesn't mean there is no argument to be had in the value of having some unique variety options for those who are looking for it.

I'm sure they knew Hrothgar wasn't going to be as popular as Viera, they've Roe to look at for estimate numbers- Hrothgar about match that anyways (and Roe has two genders and less fantasia / barber issues even, if you fixed that then Hrothgar might be more popular).

[wereotter]

Ah yes.... our weekly new thread about how Viera still can't wear hats and don't have new hairstyles.

[Amnmaat]

Again still think that's the wrong way to look at beast race. Look at beast race more like ultimate. It's good for the few that do it, they've no other content like it if you removed it. Beast race, across ALL mmos, is always one of the less popular ones compared to classic human shapes, super model shapes, etc (although WoW has a number of popular not stereotypically pretty / standard races, substantial population if you add them together by groups of pretty/standard vs not). Still I think there is a unique value in offering something new over offering a different shade of the same thing you're already offering. Does that mean to stop adding shades because it's popular? No of course not, but if you've no ultimate content then perhaps maybe you should have it. Your 8th variation of chocolate might be more popular than your red bean ice cream but that doesn't mean there is no argument to be had in the value of having some unique variety options for those who are looking for it.

I'm sure they knew Hrothgar wasn't going to be as popular as Viera, they've Roe to look at for estimate numbers- Hrothgar about match that anyways (and Roe has two genders and less fantasia / barber issues even, if you fixed that then Hrothgar might be more popular).

People that do Ultimate already had savage and extreme
Just like people who like hrothgar had Roegadyn and to a smaller extent Miqo'te

[CaptainLagbeard]

The lack of updates in general is probably because of 2020. Things going on around the world slowed down work everywhere so it took 4 months from 5.25 (6 from 5.2) to get to 5.3...

[Shougun]

People that do Ultimate already had savage and extreme
Just like people who like hrothgar had Roegadyn and to a smaller extent Miqo'te

Ultimate != savage ; savage is closer to normal than it is to ultimate.

Roe != beast race ; maybe Galka would have 'sort of' counted, like mithra, but Roe and miqote obviously lost some of their more weird features from FFXI. Simply having a single point of asset does not make one a beast race, "oh I'm big" is not a beast race, neither is a human with cat ears. Lion/animal face (the feature that obviously made the race a pain to take to the barber shop, and most key to making it not a human with ears), fur, tail, now that is clearly a beast race- enter Hrothgar.

[Amnmaat]

Ultimate != savage ; savage is closer to normal than it is to ultimate.

Roe != beast race ; maybe Galka would have 'sort of' counted, like mithra, but Roe and miqote obviously lost some of their more weird features from FFXI. Simply having a single point of asset does not make one a beast race, "oh I'm big" is not a beast race, neither is a human with cat ears. Lion/animal face (the feature that obviously made the race a pain to take to the barber shop, and most key to making it not a human with ears), fur, tail, now that is clearly a beast race- enter Hrothgar.

i disagree, the same people that do extremes and savage are the same ones that do ultimate. Maybe not in crystal but definitely in aether.
Roe (and to a lesser extent Miqo'te = what most current hrothgar players used to be. Backed up by data and sources of information; as well as aesthetically, but this time we will never agree upon since it's subjective. However, the data I brought up of the Roegadyn to hrothgar flight is factual, to the point where there are more male hrothgar now than there are male Roegadyn.

[MariaArvana]

It seems like there's a bigger fan outcry for Viera.

They should have finished the Viera, let them use different hairstyles and hats and given them male and female options and not bothered with Hrothgar.

Funnily enough, the intention was the opposite, based on what Yoshi-P has said. Hrothgar was initially what they were planning to do, until the decision was made to create the split since they knew about Viera popularity and knew it was likely the last time they'll be adding new races:

"After seeing the positive reception of the Lupin characters we introduced in Stormblood, we concluded that, for the long-term health of FFXIV, it was important to implement a greater variety of character types beyond the traditionally beautiful in a future expansion" ~ siliconera's interview with Naoki Yoshida on Viera & hrothgar gender lock. So if they hadn't gone the split, it would have been Male/Female Hrothgar, no Viera ever.

As far as the topic question, between all the other things he dev have to push out during their patch cycles, the realistic date you'll see any Viera/Hrothgar additions is 6.0. They could surprise us earlier than that, but 6.0 is the realistic time.