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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    "Changing an entire job's run animation" is an unqualified statement as if that means more than changing a summoners summons, you're providing a lot of gravitas and importance to something that literally can change depending on which race you play, and has aspects of it changed in updates in the past. In the coding is a bitch case it wouldnt be the animators, and given they can can create these toggles the psudocode for something like that would likely be similar to the current toggles that exists for egi-glams or other such toggles. By this logic you shooting down ops request is also selfish because it is just what you want, the point of forums is to make requests and gauge interest, as someone who's been around the forums and the game for over 5 years, I can say i have seen this requested many times, so it is not simply a demand coming from a single person, also in the case of suggestions like this, even if it is just one dude requesting it, it is literally only a net positive objectively, you can subjectively have whatever reasons you like for not wanting it, but your reasoning thus far has just been "i dun wan it"

    I mean.. I said I don't want it. I said that in my first post. I've been honest about that. Yes I don't support THIS question. I just don't. I mean... I don't know what you want me to say. do you want me to just agree with him because of -options-? I generally want to know.

    If you want reasons I provided that. I feel it's silly but if they really hate those animations then I beleive they should just play another class instead of asking SE to change it. Now we can debate if my answer is fair all day but at the end of the day for whatever reason.. yeah I don't want them to change it.. like at all. But hey if they do it's whatever. Like you said.. it's a forum. And while he's allowed to ask for things I'm allowed to disagree with things if I disagree with them. No matter what the reason is. And yes.. Me and him are asking for selfish things. I don't call it selfish as an insult... I'm being selfish and so is he.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Controller View Post
    I mean.. I said I don't want it. I said that in my first post. I've been honest about that. Yes I don't support THIS question. I just don't. I mean... I don't know what you want me to say. do you want me to just agree with him because of -options-? I generally want to know.
    I was just interested in dissecting your thought process, when there's no downside to aggreeing with someone or just leaving it, I'm very keen to know why somone would actively disagree, you can leave it at just "I don't want it" and thats fine, but drilling down to a reason with a good amount of justification would be what I was after with this. Each to their own and all that but again, if theres no downside for something, and theres precedent for similar things happening in the past, Im interested as to why someone would actively say no to that thing beyond just a subjective "nah". You also continually misrepresented OPs argument and weren't correct in other points you made, he's not asking for animations to be "changed" per sey, just more options, you also mentioned stuff like "don't think there' sa game that even does this" when it literally happens in ffxiv, and mentioning how OPs request would put more work on the animators when it does nothing of the such which is why i replied continually to respond to these points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    I was just interested in dissecting your thought process, when there's no downside to aggreeing with someone or just leaving it, I'm very keen to know why somone would actively disagree, you can leave it at just "I don't want it" and thats fine, but drilling down to a reason with a good amount of justification would be what I was after with this. Each to their own and all that but again, if theres no downside for something, and theres precedent for similar things happening in the past, Im interested as to why someone would actively say no to that thing beyond just a subjective "nah". You also continually misrepresented OPs argument and weren't correct in other points you made, he's not asking for animations to be "changed" per sey, just more options, you also mentioned stuff like "don't think there' sa game that even does this" when it literally happens in ffxiv, and mentioning how OPs request would put more work on the animators when it does nothing of the such which is why i replied continually to respond to these points.
    That last part is not proven. Do you know how they would change it? I don't think it's as easy as you think it is. I don't know tho but you ALSO don't know. So thats why I said that. Changing what the Egi's do is not going to be the same as changing an animation. I promise you it's different. Now how hard or easy it is really not for us to debate because niether of us are working in SE. But it gets tiring to hear. " They should just do this.. it's easy" When 9 times out of 10 it's not that easy. People just say that because it's the " I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW" way of thinking. That's all I'm saying. Now if it is easy then whatever.. but I'm not putting money on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Controller View Post
    That last part is not proven. Do you know how they would change it? I don't think it's as easy as you think it is. I don't know tho but you ALSO don't know. So thats why I said that. Changing what the Egi's do is not going to be the same as changing an animation. I promise you it's different. Now how hard or easy it is really not for us to debate because niether of us are working in SE. But it gets tiring to hear. " They should just do this.. it's easy" When 9 times out of 10 it's not that easy. People just say that because it's the " I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW" way of thinking. That's all I'm saying. Now if it is easy then whatever.. but I'm not putting money on that.
    And he is asking for animations to be changed. It's literally what he said in his post. He wants the ninja animation changed. Doesn't matter if he only wants it on his screen.. it's still a change.

    Crap I messed up comment chain and qouted myself. But I agree to disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Controller View Post
    And he is asking for animations to be changed. It's literally what he said in his post. He wants the ninja animation changed. Doesn't matter if he only wants it on his screen.. it's still a change.

    Crap I messed up comment chain and qouted myself. But I agree to disagree.
    He's not asking for anything to be added to the game though. Just a toggle on an animation. The animation is already there, if he takes his job stone off the animation changes to the one he wants. It's exactly the same as the show or hide weapon toggle, the visor toggle. Everything that he wants is already in the game in some form, just not in the order he wants.

    Adding this to the game wouldn't affect you in any way whatsoever, so the only logical reason you could have for not wanting it to be included is solely to spite someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Controller View Post
    That last part is not proven. Do you know how they would change it? I don't think it's as easy as you think it is. I don't know tho but you ALSO don't know. So thats why I said that. Changing what the Egi's do is not going to be the same as changing an animation. I promise you it's different. Now how hard or easy it is really not for us to debate because niether of us are working in SE. But it gets tiring to hear. " They should just do this.. it's easy" When 9 times out of 10 it's not that easy. People just say that because it's the " I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW" way of thinking. That's all I'm saying. Now if it is easy then whatever.. but I'm not putting money on that.
    What the egi changes do is create a seperate set of skills with the same potency as the smn skills, which are accessed via using the egi glam system, to extend this unto the OP, for the unheated shots they could have a seperate version of unheated shots with the same potency as the heated shots accessed using the "skill glamour" system for OPs request. For changing ninja idles is likely much more simple (SE spaghetti code not withstanding) as it would just be changing the nin animation pointer to the rouge animation pointer when the toggle is met, obviously I don't know thier codebase, but seeing as the rougue animations are just the pld animations, and the pld animations are the "default" animations of a class (which is why they are used by all the crafters) a system that makes it so the animations point to the default rather than the class specific when the toggle is met form an objective code standpoint seems easier, at least i would consider it easier from my coding experience, as would my comsci graduate friends/ partner. This all could be wrong, however what would be the point of feedback if you had to consider dev workload as an aspect of feedback, everything is workload, thats not an argument that players should have to consider

    Also your "changed" point is a semantic difference, he wants it "changed" in the sense that he can change it to the rougue animations, not that it is changed for everyone, if we're being super semantic would even say "reverted" instead of changed cos the rougue animations come first.
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