DRK enmity gen vs other tanks

[ForteNightshade]

Assuming that people only played with the exact meta in raiding is a silly way to think about the time period(and the game in any time really). People used double WAR all the time due to its OP self-healing and reliant damage output that had less variance than DRK's due to part of DRK's being tied up in low blow procs/Reprisal. Sell runs and the like used double WAR all the time. The only time to not double WAR was when LB charge mattered, which wasn't a lot of fights, and in early prog due to having more damage downs on the boss(Reprisal/Delirium).

I never said they only played with the "exact meta." But the overwhelming majority of tank comps were WAR/DRK. Making them the most relevant to the discussion. PLD had aggro issues but that was among the reasons it wasn't often brought.

No, they did not. There is not a single ranked speed log from the Heavensward era with double Warrior. Dark Knight was undeniably the second tank. I have no idea where you've heard otherwise but it wasn't the case—nor was double Warrior all that common. Basing anything off sale groups is silly. They aren't trying to optimize unless they're selling a parse. Even then, they'll pad that one player not the entire team. Regardless, the crux of the argument was the OT used aggro combos for enmity. They didn't. Butcher's used to be a DPS gain before they buffed Storm's Path.

[Vyrerus]

FFlogs

FFlogs =/= raiding playerbase, and ranked speed kills are even less common. You said OTs never used enmity combos, period. There was no delineation for solely enmity. And it doesn't even matter if it's dual WAR comp, because even in a DRK/WAR comp, the DRK MTs for their parry based damage procs back then, if the boss's AAs are physical, and the WAR OTs and uses their Butcher's Block combo, the enmity combo until enmity becomes an issue. What you said was wrong, get over it.

[ForteNightshade]

FFlogs =/= raiding playerbase, and ranked speed kills are even less common. You said OTs never used enmity combos, period. There was no delineation for solely enmity. And it doesn't even matter if it's dual WAR comp, because even in a DRK/WAR comp, the DRK MTs for their parry based damage procs back then, if the boss's AAs are physical, and the WAR OTs and uses their Butcher's Block combo, the enmity combo until enmity becomes an issue. What you said was wrong, get over it.

Yes, let's dismiss a website entirely dedicated to tracking this information and go with your opinion. You haven't provided a single shred of evidence yet I can find several within a matter of minutes that completely contradicts your argument. You claimed people used double Warrior all the time based on... what, exactly? Your personal experience? That's why anecdote mean very little. "No dupes" has pretty much been ubiquitous in PF for years. That isn't to say some groups don't allow it, but you're trying to argue it as common. When it never was.

Admittedly, I was mistaken with regards to Butcher's because I forgot it once was a DPS gain. But the entire crux of this debate has been how it relates to enmity. That's the delineation. Aggro combos weren't being spammed nor was Butcher's used for enmity but damage. That distinction is important because had Storm's Path been a gain over Butcher's, they would be using Path instead. Even with Butcher's technically being a gain, it was still very infrequently used; less than a quarter of Storm's Eye on average going by logs from Heavensward. So no, Warrior did not use BB until it "became an issue." They barely used it at all. So kindly take your own advice.