Tank Stances and WHY???

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Well, pretty much everything you have mentioned is DPS with the exception of AST. AST's sects aren't available at level 10. Tank role's responsibility is a little more than just "hit harder" and without the tank stance being on, it is quite possible to get a party member killed easily. Regardless of that, though, tank stances are all available at 10. Meaning there's no reason to turn them off. Downsyncing and disabling abilities that aren't available at the level to which you're downsync'd is one thing. Disabling an essential role action that is never not available for group content is, honestly, silly.

My point was, it doesn't matter what level you get sync'd down to, other jobs outside the tank role will get affected by it too, in one way or another, it's not a tank only thing to deal with.

In all honesty, this to me, sounds like a, "I'm bad at the game, please hold my hand some more, because I might forget to press one button." It really doesn't take much thought process to put your stance on when you get sync'd down, and usually becomes a habit over time. Besides, what's the actual worst thing that's gonna happen, your group is gonna wipe, big whoopdie do, s*** happens, back to the start you go and you'll remember it next time.

I swear some people make it sound like life and death, it's only a game.

[Hasrat]

I could've sworn it was an issue at one point, way back in ARR maybe? I remember hearing stories about WARs who had Defiance giving them a bunch of HP, getting synced down for stuff like FATEs, and keeping the bonus HP despite the lower level which made them hilariously bulky. I can't actually find a source confirming it though, and I'm just going off what I heard in the past.

Whether accurate or not, it does stand as an example of why buffs need removed on level sync. Can't have a snapshot of a buff at level 80 in a level 20 dungeon.

[SingularBanana]

My point was, it doesn't matter what level you get sync'd down to, other jobs outside the tank role will get affected by it too, in one way or another, it's not a tank only thing to deal with.

In all honesty, this to me, sounds like a, "I'm bad at the game, please hold my hand some more, because I might forget to press one button." It really doesn't take much thought process to put your stance on when you get sync'd down, and usually becomes a habit over time. Besides, what's the actual worst thing that's gonna happen, your group is gonna wipe, big whoopdie do, s*** happens, back to the start you go and you'll remember it next time.

I swear some people make it sound like life and death, it's only a game.

I think you like to be argumentative. Have played the game for many years and I think it's silly that you're trying to say I'm bad at it because there's something that could be done that makes no sense not to do. You get sync'd down and lose access to abilities that aren't available at the level to which you're sync'd. Tank stances are never not available for group content. That's my point. It's far from game breaking and it's not a "life or death" thing, it's irritating that it's disabling an ability that shouldn't be disabled.

Maybe I'm only complaining about it in a tank sense because I don't do other roles often enough to see other things drop off.

[SingularBanana]

Whether accurate or not, it does stand as an example of why buffs need removed on level sync. Can't have a snapshot of a buff at level 80 in a level 20 dungeon.

Except in this case, the buff is literally only enmity generation. There's no extra health, no extra defense, no penalty to damage. Yes I generate extra enmity or no I don't - but I see your point.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I think you like to be argumentative. Have played the game for many years and I think it's silly that you're trying to say I'm bad at it because there's something that could be done that makes no sense not to do. You get sync'd down and lose access to abilities that aren't available at the level to which you're sync'd. Tank stances are never not available for group content. That's my point. It's far from game breaking and it's not a "life or death" thing, it's irritating that it's disabling an ability that shouldn't be disabled.

Maybe I'm only complaining about it in a tank sense because I don't do other roles often enough to see other things drop off.

I mean that is one of the points of forums is it not, raise points as to counter an OP post, that way it does not become an all too common thing of an echo chamber.
I do find this thread pointless and complaining about a non issue just for the sake of complaining. Especially when it's an issues resolved simply by pressing your stance button after you get sync'd down.

[SingularBanana]

I mean that is one of the points of forums is it not, raise points as to counter an OP post, that way it does not become an all too common thing of an echo chamber.
I do find this thread pointless and complaining about a non issue just for the sake of complaining. Especially when it's an issues resolved simply by pressing your stance button after you get sync'd down.

Then, may I ask, why you're bothering replying? It's fine to raise objections, I don't have issue with that, but calling me lazy or bad because I think it's something small that could be easily fixed isn't exactly an objection, it's just insulting. I'm raising it as an issue because it's an annoyance. I love this game, 100%, and have played for many years. Don't see a problem with mentioning issues I have with it.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Then, may I ask, why you're bothering replying? It's fine to raise objections, I don't have issue with that, but calling me lazy or bad because I think it's something small that could be easily fixed isn't exactly an objection, it's just insulting. I'm raising it as an issue because it's an annoyance. I love this game, 100%, and have played for many years. Don't see a problem with mentioning issues I have with it.

Sure, it's quite simple, over the years, the games reliance on player awareness has eroded away to the point where, that hand holding is rife throughout the game, and becomes too easy.

Asking SE, to make an adjustment because you forget to press one button is another example of, "SE can you please fix this even though, as a player I can fix it myself quite easily."

Pretty much I have the belief that more agency should be placed in the player rather than asking for SE to fix every minor to non issue "problem", that can be resolved through player awareness. That way devs can actually fix real problems.

[Hasrat]

Except in this case, the buff is literally only enmity generation. There's no extra health, no extra defense, no penalty to damage. Yes I generate extra enmity or no I don't - but I see your point.

To the player, this sounds simple. "Extra" or "no extra." But the game still has to run the numbers, and the snapshot buff may provide a different value/multiplier than what is applied while synced.

You may think it doesn't matter. But consider 8-mans. Consider an off-tank that may have this snapshot potentially-higher generation, with a main tank that simply cannot stay ahead.

Not saying this is definitely what's happening. But, never know when they're something under the hood running unseen.

[ZeSeKa]

I hate that Iron Will/Defiance get automatically turned off. Granted, it's not a problem to turn it back on, but if you just wanna rush through a leveling DGN you can sometimes forget it. Then again, someone will probably remind you during or after the first pull.

[SingularBanana]

I hate that Iron Will/Defiance get automatically turned off. Granted, it's not a problem to turn it back on, but if you just wanna rush through a leveling DGN you can sometimes forget it. Then again, someone will probably remind you during or after the first pull.

That's really my point, exactly. It's not a matter of laziness or being a bad player and it's not HARD to turn it on - I have it hotkeyes for that reason - it's just that sometimes it's easy to forget. And yes, lol, often will get reminders on that first pull.