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    You didn't say that we shouldn't bring attention to it, I give you that. But I felt I had to say it regardless. I just wish people would stop saying: ooh it's easy for me, so I don't get why it's hard for you. Why can't we just meet in the middle? "Hey, it was easy for me, but I understand there are people who have problems with it. So why not do something about that?"

    I just wish people would stop calling us lazy and spoiled, because we're not. Just because we're not the norm or the majority around here, doesn't mean we don't matter. That's what I get from the people that say things like "get gud." And that's what upsets me.

    Thank you to the people who came up with suggestions to help, thank you to the people who understand where we are coming from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lhunuial View Post
    You didn't say that we shouldn't bring attention to it, I give you that. But I felt I had to say it regardless. I just wish people would stop saying: ooh it's easy for me, so I don't get why it's hard for you. Why can't we just meet in the middle? "Hey, it was easy for me, but I understand there are people who have problems with it. So why not do something about that?"

    I just wish people would stop calling us lazy and spoiled, because we're not. Just because we're not the norm or the majority around here, doesn't mean we don't matter. That's what I get from the people that say things like "get gud." And that's what upsets me.
    I'll be honest.. my biggest push back is because I love the wipe mech. It's nice to have a bit of normal content that has a bite to it. Yes even if that bite is still weak. But it's better then nothing. And with this thread being here I'm getting Steps of faith flash backs and I just hate nerfing content. It's why people complain about dungeons being stupid easy mode as it is. It's why we have hallway dungeons, dumb down classes, and everything else that was nerfed. I don't want the wipe mech to go away, I also don't want the QTE to completely go away with no replacement. It sucks people aren't finishing the trial due to whatever is going on with them. But knowing SE they won't meet in the middle.. they'll just kill everything and make something that's got a tiny bit of bite until a meow and a purr. :c So that's why alot of people are pushing back, it has nothing to do with you but everything to do with how SE handles nerfs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada_bangs View Post
    I'll be honest.. my biggest push back is because I love the wipe mech. It's nice to have a bit of normal content that has a bite to it. Yes even if that bite is still weak. But it's better then nothing. And with this thread being here I'm getting Steps of faith flash backs and I just hate nerfing content. It's why people complain about dungeons being stupid easy mode as it is. It's why we have hallway dungeons, dumb down classes, and everything else that was nerfed. I don't want the wipe mech to go away, I also don't want the QTE to completely go away with no replacement. It sucks people aren't finishing the trial due to whatever is going on with them. But knowing SE they won't meet in the middle.. they'll just kill everything and make something that's got a tiny bit of bite until a meow and a purr. :c So that's why alot of people are pushing back, it has nothing to do with you but everything to do with how SE handles nerfs.
    But the bite is still there? They dont have to take it out completely, just make it like the older ones where only you died...so if for example both the healers mess up its still a wipe. The rest of the trial is still there and can cause wipes. How long is it enjoyable? Would you still like it if you cant clear it at all because one person in the group always messes it up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    But the bite is still there? They dont have to take it out completely, just make it like the older ones where only you died...so if for example both the healers mess up its still a wipe. The rest of the trial is still there and can cause wipes. How long is it enjoyable? Would you still like it if you cant clear it at all because one person in the group always messes it up?
    No you misunderstand or maybe I didn't word it better. But the bite I'm talking about is the wipe mech where we all have to pass the QTE. If one of us fails it's a wipe. That's the bite I'm talking about. I don't want that to go away, I like that this was different then the other QTEs. I say SE should change the QTE to a QCF motion or a DDR thing or something. No other changes needed cause if you take the wipe mech away then it's just a normal easy trial with no bite. And It's just nice to see something that's a bit more punishing then the normal tank and sleep.

    And I've already been in parties where it took longer then 40 mins to clear because someone couldn't pass it. It doesn't make me mad honestly. I have ALOT of time on my hands. Plus have you heard the music? I could stay in there all day. For context... I can listen to one song for a year striaght nonstop. I've done this before. Repeats have NEVER got on my nerves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada_bangs View Post
    No you misunderstand or maybe I didn't word it better. But the bite I'm talking about is the wipe mech where we all have to pass the QTE. If one of us fails it's a wipe. That's the bite I'm talking about. I don't want that to go away, I like that this was different then the other QTEs. I say SE should change the QTE to a QCF motion or a DDR thing or something. No other changes needed cause if you take the wipe mech away then it's just a normal easy trial with no bite. And It's just nice to see something that's a bit more punishing then the normal tank and sleep.

    And I've already been in parties where it took longer then 40 mins to clear because someone couldn't pass it. It doesn't make me mad honestly. I have ALOT of time on my hands. Plus have you heard the music? I could stay in there all day. For context... I can listen to one song for a year striaght nonstop. I've done this before. Repeats have NEVER got on my nerves.
    And what, you love music and can listen to it, for example, endlessly. And let's replace pleasure with a terrible pain in the ears, like this? People are asking for change for a reason, it hurts them to try! I am a healthy person, and the speed there is really too high, I tried slowly, but at a different pace I tried 5 times, the result is 5 wipes, ppl just abbadon, nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada_bangs View Post
    I'll be honest.. my biggest push back is because I love the wipe mech. It's nice to have a bit of normal content that has a bite to it. Yes even if that bite is still weak. But it's better then nothing. And with this thread being here I'm getting Steps of faith flash backs and I just hate nerfing content. It's why people complain about dungeons being stupid easy mode as it is. It's why we have hallway dungeons, dumb down classes, and everything else that was nerfed. I don't want the wipe mech to go away, I also don't want the QTE to completely go away with no replacement. It sucks people aren't finishing the trial due to whatever is going on with them. But knowing SE they won't meet in the middle.. they'll just kill everything and make something that's got a tiny bit of bite until a meow and a purr. :c So that's why alot of people are pushing back, it has nothing to do with you but everything to do with how SE handles nerfs.
    I understand where you come from, I absolutely do. I healed Steps of Faith when it was still hard, I don't think I ever had any issues with it. (I still prefer to heal that one, lol). I prefer to do everything on normal too, you know. The way they designed it. That's how I've always done that. Really, I've never complained before. Always found a workaround. (But I am happy with the easy option on solo duties for the days that my body is not cooperating with me).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lhunuial View Post
    I understand where you come from, I absolutely do. I healed Steps of Faith when it was still hard, I don't think I ever had any issues with it. (I still prefer to heal that one, lol). I prefer to do everything on normal too, you know. The way they designed it. That's how I've always done that. Really, I've never complained before. Always found a workaround. (But I am happy with the easy option on solo duties for the days that my body is not cooperating with me).
    Honestly.. I really don't think they would do this but if they made the QTE a QCF motion or something and only changed that then I'll be happy. Easier on your hands and I get to keep my punishing mech. That's how I'd done it honestly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada_bangs View Post
    Honestly.. I really don't think they would do this but if they made the QTE a QCF motion or something and only changed that then I'll be happy. Easier on your hands and I get to keep my punishing mech. That's how I'd done it honestly.
    If it's a little more lenient, where it doesn't come down to 2,5 seconds I'm fine with it. The fact that there is so little room for error gives me the most anxiety, really. I can handle the pain if I only need to do the QTE once, or maybe twice. But not multiple times in a row.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lhunuial View Post
    If it's a little more lenient, where it doesn't come down to 2,5 seconds I'm fine with it. The fact that there is so little room for error gives me the most anxiety, really. I can handle the pain if I only need to do the QTE once, or maybe twice. But not multiple times in a row.
    I dunno how it'll feel for you honestly. You mentioned you never played street fighter so I dunno how to explain the timing. I know the timing of the hadoken is abit fast pace but you're not pressing anything. It's literally a half circle motion on your D-pad. So depending on your dpad it can be like running your thumb on a flat table or soft keys. Depends I guess. But I don't think the hadoken timing is too bad. I've seen people who have no buisness doing hadokens and shoryukens doing then nonstop. But that's street fighter and fighting games are way more punishing then anything in this game can hope to be. So even half the speed you need to do a normal QCF I think would be good enough. If they go the DDR route then it should be a little fast to still give people the -oh shit- feeling but not so fast only Sonic fans who do perfect runs can react too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada_bangs View Post
    I dunno how it'll feel for you honestly. You mentioned you never played street fighter so I dunno how to explain the timing. I know the timing of the hadoken is abit fast pace but you're not pressing anything. It's literally a half circle motion on your D-pad. So depending on your dpad it can be like running your thumb on a flat table or soft keys. Depends I guess. But I don't think the hadoken timing is too bad. I've seen people who have no buisness doing hadokens and shoryukens doing then nonstop. But that's street fighter and fighting games are way more punishing then anything in this game can hope to be. So even half the speed you need to do a normal QCF I think would be good enough. If they go the DDR route then it should be a little fast to still give people the -oh shit- feeling but not so fast only Sonic fans who do perfect runs can react too.
    The D pad? The arrow keys? Like I said, I play on a laptop. So I would have to figure that out first. I have always been a PC gamer. Then again, we don't know what is gonna happen, or if they will even do something about the mechanic so it's pure speculation. All we can basically do is wait and see what will happen.
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