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    DRK enmity gen vs other tanks

    Why is drk's enmity gen so much less than other tanks? In a case where the drk has the same level gear, the other tanks will generate more enmity. In a case where the drk has slightly better gear, the other tanks will generate more enmity.

    Why is this and can we get a buff or something at some point during this expansion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magictrix View Post
    Why is drk's enmity gen so much less than other tanks? In a case where the drk has the same level gear, the other tanks will generate more enmity. In a case where the drk has slightly better gear, the other tanks will generate more enmity.

    Why is this and can we get a buff or something at some point during this expansion?
    the case is simple: DRK does less DPS than other tanks, so it generates less emnity. it doesn't really affect the jobs performance unless you're racing someone to see who can MT first, but DRK does indeed need some QOL changes. I've suggested a few simple but effective changes in another thread, and hopefully they can be implemented by 5.35 or 5.4 in order to bring DRK up to par with the other 3 tanks in terms of ease of leveling and quality of performance for most content under lv 80. go check it out if you want!

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...hanges-for-5.4
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    why is this even a problem? enmity it's a joke and you can stablish a strong lead by just spaming 1 buttom and no dps or healer will gonnna steal the hate from you, still DRK have the lower dps from all tanks but the diference is minimal so i doubt his enmity generation it's being much less compared to other tanks, so what kind of situations you are facing to find this being a problem?
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    Saying DRK has enmity issues is a lie. You get front loaded burst and DPS is equal across the tanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hierro View Post
    Saying DRK has enmity issues is a lie. You get front loaded burst and DPS is equal across the tanks.
    Because some people, like myself, want enmity combos to comeback for enmity based mechanics(they just need to be DPS neutral like same potency as your main combo and same resource generation as main combo) or to have a clearer distinction of what a Main tank and off tank is supposed to be.
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    Making things brain dead doesn't solve problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    Because some people, like myself, want enmity combos to comeback for enmity based mechanics(they just need to be DPS neutral like same potency as your main combo and same resource generation as main combo) or to have a clearer distinction of what a Main tank and off tank is supposed to be.
    The issue is you can get the same effect by simply shutting off your stance after allowing the MT to get initial agro. The issue with enmity combos is they aren't inherently adding anything to gameplay.Warrior had 3 different combos, one for enmity, a damage buff, and self healing. You HAD to use your damage buff combo after enmity in order to increase the enmity generation per combo.
    You occasionally used self healing ability, but that just makes you a little squishier if you spammed BB all the time.
    I would argue stance dancing provided more of a dynamic.
    You could just shut off your stance for the increased damage, toss your stance up for the tank swap, provoke and then finish your enmity combo for a chunk of threat.
    Stance dancing did more than combos did in terms of gameplay behavior./
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiron View Post
    The issue is you can get the same effect by simply shutting off your stance after allowing the MT to get initial agro. The issue with enmity combos is they aren't inherently adding anything to gameplay.Warrior had 3 different combos, one for enmity, a damage buff, and self healing. You HAD to use your damage buff combo after enmity in order to increase the enmity generation per combo.
    You occasionally used self healing ability, but that just makes you a little squishier if you spammed BB all the time.
    I would argue stance dancing provided more of a dynamic.
    You could just shut off your stance for the increased damage, toss your stance up for the tank swap, provoke and then finish your enmity combo for a chunk of threat.
    Stance dancing did more than combos did in terms of gameplay behavior./
    I will say that the damage buff combo ender is probably the dumbest thing that hasn't gone away yet...


    In fact, I think damage buffs tied to any damage dealing ability that requires you to successfully hit the target you want to do damage to is dumb, then again I was spoiled by pre-Shadowbringers Darkside...


    Stance dancing did provide more of a dynamic, but only for Warriors due to their stances not being tied to the GCD...


    And if you didn't have tank stance on but you weren't second on enmity list, your main tank expected you to use enmity combos... Before the advent of Provoke + Shirk...


    Now everyone in the party are wondering why the off tank isn't second on enmity list because they get destroyed by the boss, and if your off tank isn't dead and they don't have tank stance on, it's time to bring back enmity combos... and DPS stances for good measure...
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    Last edited by DRKoftheAzure; 08-14-2020 at 04:52 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by ArianeEwah View Post
    Making things brain dead doesn't solve problems.

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    Imagine having a spammable 500 potency move that no other tank has as an OGCD and STILL losing threat lmfao. Okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shao32 View Post
    why is this even a problem?
    I agree it isn't one, but i see more and more people thinking that the aggro jauges are some sort of parsers, which gives a totally accurate rating of a player's prowess. If you are in lead it is good, and if not then you are bad. So i wouldn't be surprised if some people were thinking that tanks not all having the exact same aggro generation needs to be corrected. One of the next step in the obsession of having everything perfectly balanced.
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    Enmity combos were impossible to balance if I recall. That is why they removed DPS stances from tanks and leveled the playing field as much as they could. Save for DRK...it needs some love. That being said though I rarely ever have problem with enmity in dungeons, 24 man, 8 man, savage, or trials. You still have provoke and shirk, which is why they were left in the game for enmity management. The devs still like forcing tank swaps as mechanics or swapping tank busters.

    I'm in the camp for good riddance to gradual enmity generation. Now tanks either have it or then don't. I'm free to tank how I want rather then stance dancing like an idiot as it was in SB....forget that crap. This also goes for the DPS, Mage classes. They can go balls out on there DPS and never worry....does anyone remember Diversion? Throttling the DPS is sort of silly, when you have DPS checks or enrages....kinda counter intuitive. Now DPS just goes nuts without ever pulling aggro as long as the tank isn't asleep.
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