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    Quote Originally Posted by Curisu View Post
    Did you get kicked out of savage groups and statics because you play DRK?
    NO! Because the tanks are still balanced and you can play any tank you want.
    These 2 just got QoL changes and the WAR should get a bit closer to DRK and PLD dmg.

    But what could Paladin or maybe WAR main in disguise know about LD? as far I know healer can pretty much start dancing during Hallow Ground.

    KID YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS LIKE DURING 5.0 WHEN DRK WAS ASKED TO LEAVE THE SAVAGE PARTY THAT HAVE NO WHM.

    Even a whole year later in 5.2 DRK are the only tank who got in problem when they're in party with no WHM. The only Tank who got problem with party that use strat that require Tank invuls.

    All this talk coming from you is the same loop you lot try make it happen again and again > IGNORE ALL COMMENT FROM DRK AND HEALER AND SAY LD/DRK is fine>Make drk stay outlier>ASK FOR ADJUSTMENT FOR WAR>KEEP DRK AS AN OUTLIER AND LEAST FAVORABLE CHOICE.

    If you can ignore the comment like these comment below then you should expect that from now on I can ignore your too.

    Quote Originally Posted by BarretOblivion View Post
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    You need to talk to my AST/SCH. They hate LD so much that in E7S I am required to always split the TB with my DRK tank instead of him invulning. Healers... HATE it because of how many resources you have to dump into it.
    Quote Originally Posted by elioaiko View Post
    Healer main here.

    I personally hate LD, the fact you need to recover the total HP of the DRK in order to purge the debuff is seriously annoying on AST and especially SCH.

    Ofc on WHM it's a joke but having to essentially force WHM/DRK comps is what SE should avoid altogether. But having Benediction just makes the invuln a joke, since it defeats the urgent nature of it I suppose so why not change it?

    At least with GNB/WAR it's something that can be fixed with an OGCD.

    I suppose they can't find more unique invuln skills as GNB's just punches itself in the face (but really it's just a combination of Holmgang and Hallowed)

    It's just a headache on non-WHM healers and people aren't always going to want to play WHM or should they be forced to for the convenience of dealing with LD.
    Quote Originally Posted by Danelo View Post
    Have any of you seen the Familtsu's Shadowbringers Media Tour Interview transcript?:

    Q: It'll take too long to discuss every job like this, so are there any other notable considerations you made?
    Yoshida: There was also the debate over the oft-suggested BLM Raise.

    Q: Because the other ranged magical DPS, SMN and RDM, both have their own raise actions, right? I think there are some that want one for BLM, and some that don't...
    Yoshida: Just as an example, what if BLM's raise action was based on destructive power, and raised the target at 1 HP with the Walking Dead status? But in that case, healers would definitely complain... We thought of several ideas, including ones to increase the penalty for raising, but all of them resulted in "No one would use it then."

    Really!!!? I'm confused. LD/WD is such an disappointing and unusable mechanic that you are willing to disallow it to be used for a BLM, mainly because it would be drawback to bringing the job (that is Yoshi P's main) and healer's wouldn't like it so ppl wouldn't use it BUT IT'S OKAY TO LEAVE AS IS FOR DARK KNIGHT????!

    Ultimately, blm raise was debated and devs decided to go a different direction. But it seems that Yoshi P would have said no to WD style raise being implemented for the simple fact that it is unduely punishing compared to all the other raise abilities with in the ranged magic jobs. Hmmmm...







    I'm sick of people trying to spread misinformation and make DRK look like they have amazing ability which is utterly false
    such as LD being 20 secs invul or try to make other people believe that it can be used up to 10 secs like Hallow Ground.


    Quote Originally Posted by Miminming View Post
    No, even now DRK is the MT tank of choice,
    People who want LD to change is just the DRK elitist that want more some probably just want a panic button which shouldn't be even a thing if played right... and less good healer or just want to get it easy healer... LD being a 20s invul has it uses and nich, it' perfectly fine as is.




    or how TNB is OP

    TNB is only 5% stronger than it's previous version in stormblood but consume 500 mp more meanwhile DRK ability to regen HP and MP in Shadowbringers is pitiful . People kept parroting about how OP how amazing it's only have 15 secs recast but they have no clue like no clue at all that there is no DRK in Shadownbringers that could regenerate 3000 MP every 15 secs.








    or even more disgusting idea that DRK wasn't supported to/ not allow to remove WD and came out of critical low hp after invul by themselves but WAR is supposed to be able to do it and should be allowed to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy_Pyre View Post
    DRK isn't supposed to be able to remove Walking Dead on their own, are you daft? The entire design of all of the invulns (barring HG) is that they each require healer intervention to keep the tank from dying immediately afterwards. As I already said, WAR is the only tank that can sometimes do it solo.
    what funny is
    5.3
    YOSHIDA AND FFXIV JOB DEV TEAM: We agreed WAR should be the only tank that could bring themselves out of 1% during invul and came out with plenty of hp with no problem. Oh and we'll bring WAR to the top of tank dps later too don't worry. WAR EXCLUSIVE. WAR'S PRIVILEGE!


    WAR main used the argument that NF can't be used in solo content as a reason why LD is fine and shouldn't get rework but they keep asking for NF change so they can use it in solo content as well. WAR aren't know for stance dancing for nothing. They can change the excuse that they try to make it sound reasonable and valid anytime as long as it bring them closer to be the top tank again.
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    Last edited by cactuarzzzz; 08-12-2020 at 01:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz View Post
    But what could Paladin or maybe WAR main in disguise know about LD? as far I know healer can pretty much start dancing during Hallow Ground.

    KID YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS LIKE DURING 5.0 WHEN DRK WAS ASKED TO LEAVE THE SAVAGE PARTY THAT HAVE NO WHM.

    Even a whole year later in 5.2 DRK are the only tank who got in problem when they're in party with no WHM. The only Tank who got problem with party that use strat that require Tank invuls.

    All this talk coming from you is the same loop you lot try make it happen again and again > IGNORE ALL COMMENT FROM DRK AND HEALER AND SAY LD/DRK is fine>Make drk stay outlier>ASK FOR ADJUSTMENT FOR WAR>KEEP DRK AS AN OUTLIER AND LEAST FAVORABLE CHOICE.

    If you can ignore the comment like these comment below then you should expect that from now on I can ignore your too.














    I'm sick of people trying to spread misinformation and make DRK look like they have amazing ability which is utterly false
    such as LD being 20 secs invul or try to make other people believe that it can be used up to 10 secs like Hallow Ground.








    or how TNB is OP

    TNB is only 5% stronger than it's previous version in stormblood but consume 500 mp more meanwhile DRK ability to regen HP and MP in Shadowbringers is pitiful . People kept parroting about how OP how amazing it's only have 15 secs recast but they have no clue like no clue at all that there is no DRK in Shadownbringers that could regenerate 3000 MP every 15 secs.








    or even more disgusting idea that DRK wasn't supported to/ not allow to remove WD and came out of critical low hp after invul by themselves but WAR is supposed to be able to do it and should be allowed to do so.



    what funny is
    5.3
    YOSHIDA AND FFXIV JOB DEV TEAM: We agreed WAR should be the only tank that cloud bring themselves out of 1% during invul and came out with plenty of hp with no problem. Oh and we'll bring WAR to the top of tank dps later too don't worry. WAR EXCLUSIVE. WAR'S PRIVILEGE!


    WAR main used the argument that NF can't be used in solo content as a reason why LD is fine and shouldn't get rework but they keep asking for NF change so they can use it in solo content as well. WAR aren't know for stance dancing for nothing. They can change the excuse that they try to make it sound reasonable and valid anytime as long as it bring them closer to be the top tank again.

    Wow....you really like DRK....like a lot O.o
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz View Post
    KID YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS LIKE DURING 5.0 WHEN DRK WAS ASKED TO LEAVE THE SAVAGE PARTY THAT HAVE NO WHM.

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    or how TNB is OP

    TNB is only 5% stronger than it's previous version in stormblood but consume 500 mp more meanwhile DRK ability to regen HP and MP in Shadowbringers is pitiful . People kept parroting about how OP how amazing it's only have 15 secs recast but they have no clue like no clue at all that there is no DRK in Shadownbringers that could regenerate 3000 MP every 15 secs.



    Remember back in 3.x when DRK kept getting kicked out of every savage party that had the AST/SCH meta healer comp? Me neither.

    Also, TBN is incredibly OP. It was super OP back in SB, it was great as a free 20% HP bubble shield. The fact it was buffed even further was not at all warranted (though entirely welcome). I'm a WAR main, but trust me when I say TBN is super OP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hierro View Post
    Remember back in 3.x when DRK kept getting kicked out of every savage party that had the AST/SCH meta healer comp? Me neither.

    Also, TBN is incredibly OP. It was super OP back in SB, it was great as a free 20% HP bubble shield. The fact it was buffed even further was not at all warranted (though entirely welcome). I'm a WAR main, but trust me when I say TBN is super OP!
    LD has always been a pain since forever and asked to be fixed since forever. The DRK kit changes, HP values increasing, and this expansion the math for healing seeming to have changed (req a focus on more healing at less per heal (not a healer main but most guides I read/watched confer that to me)) have all exacerbated the problem with LD. LD is a flawed designed, at best, when compared to the functionality of the other 3 tank ultimates and the rest of DRK’s kit is a poor patch job - TBN included.
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