Why don't we hear about egi glamours anymore?

[ItMe]

Remove the egis and make the summons more impactful.

There isn't room for both?
If you just removed egis you'd just be making a different crowd upset with SMN, so it's kind of a lateral move from the Dev's perspective, not making it "better."
I think it'd be healthier if they added more big summons and had the Egis be the thing you have out while between big dudes.
Axe the trance thing though, give each summon a different reason to be pulled out and the player has agency to summon one over the other, not the current system of simply having to rotate through them all.

[OvernightSiren]

Wasn't there a thread exactly like this, even posted in recently, by the same OP? There are other threads spanning months or years, you could've just continued that one.

Yes but that was in a different area of the forums (the DPS jobs forum)--I thought maybe it'd get more traction in General Discussion.

[Imakun]

I'd settle for a third Egi category relegated to DoT management so we could have more swapping around along with just glamours.

So we could have Ifrit and Shiva for single target.
Garuda and Ramuh for AoE.
Titan and Leviathan for DoT infliction/spread (Titan is completely lost on us, let's be real).

Then have Demi-Egi on top of that with greater summons like Bahamut, Phoenix and hopefully Alex in the future.

[Awha]

I hope the reason we no longer hear about it is because they are moving towards tge demi summon aspect.

[OvernightSiren]

I hope the reason we no longer hear about it is because they are moving towards tge demi summon aspect.

I'd be fine with that too. Even if they do away with Egis and then sell other Demi re-skins as cash shop exclusives--they could make so much money off of that

[HeulGDarian]

Yes but that was in a different area of the forums (the DPS jobs forum)--I thought maybe it'd get more traction in General Discussion.

The reason it Didnt get more traction is cause people said what they had to say in the 20 pages it had. As always it ended not with info about egi glams but with fighting whose summoner fanfic should the ff14 summoner be , while calling out others about liking what it is already presented. There have been after that 4 new comments cause in the live letter they once again mentioned egis. Here im gonna link your thread so that people see it and also copy my comment cause for fucks sake this conversation just keeps repeating itself ad infinitum

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...anymore/page20



There is only one thing we massively disagree on. and thats that summoner is as convulted as a samurai with a shield or a blm that is in fact using bombs. The system is still a magic system even if he is using aether lke someone in reallife would use circuit it doesnt make it be any less than a man with a book drawing circles for stuff to appear out of nowhere, just because it bears resemblance it doesnt mean it isnt still a magic system. This is the most subjective thing ever and something you cant judge a job upon, to prove my point every single person i met has a different idea on what is wrong with summoner and how to fix it. ive heard till now:
remove egis
rework egis
make egis stance
remove dots
make dots elemental
bring back dots
bring back heavensward trance
rework fester painflare
remove fester painflare
make fester painflare a summon
make fester painflare elemental
fix demis
rework to only demis
give more demis
dont give more demis
remove aetherflow
bring back aetherflow
change aetherflow
remove ruins
rework ruins
make it like yuna
make it yuna nt
make it like ff7 to equip summons
add every summon
Every single person has its own ideas on what summoner needs, and so they fight and post that they are right and that others are wrong and that they are correct and that we should remove that group into another job and that they only say that cause identity crisis and and and and..... EXCUSES in the end everyone has different reasons to like this smn because summoner is a succesfull and popular job. its not without fault but it most definitely doesnt suffer from an identity crisis everyone just likes a different part or parts of it. and yes i understand that you can say that all this infighting does mean it indeed suffers from identity crisis. and my reply to this is how do you pick a group on it. sure you can categorise them and then see who is the m... just pick demis i can hear it from a mile away. So lets say that they at some point they make a bigger better summon even more fun to use than a demi and bahamut and lets say pheonix shows power creep (bahamut already shows powercreep by pheonix) do we then start this again?
I am tired of arguing in the forums. because the above thing has no true answer. Also something i need to say because this connects to the latest rework rework fiesta. MCH didnt get fixed after the rework, people still have the same issues all it did was to make it more popular to people who like jobs on the easier side.


To me this job did something smn needed for a long time it expanded the possible things a smn can do. Its a change and some peope adapt better to it than others. The reason im saying it needed them was because in 3 and 5 where summoning was alone it was outclassed by every other mage. It had some summons but besides the unique summons the non elemental ones buffers etc they were mediocre compared to comet meteor dualcast flare heck even holy. 6 had the best summon roster cause of all the buffs fenrir springs to mind. What im trying to get to is that the slowburner isnt cause of the summoner basic spells its cause the egis arent flashy or exciting to use. The egis need to be different than the demi gameplay and be weaker thats the only requirement oh and enkindle stays at 50 for obvious reasons if they make their gameplay better then the slow ramp up will be gone , if they are removed however then it will only become slower for the simple reason that smn is the most fun when everything you got is tied together. you could argue all day that summoner needs to be flashy exciting with cool animations and id argue back how smn should be about the moment to moment choice picking the right summon for the occasion supporting their team while trying not to die methodical.


besides that i have no problems you got your opinion i got mine . And SE will propably ignore both add another demi and wont fix any issues ai has or ones that they caused

[linayar]

Alternates for Titan (Tank egis):
- Bismarck

Bismarck's attacks are ranged.

Honestly, I'd rather they go the route of Bahamut and Phoenix and remove egis altogether. I want to summon during the fight, not have a pet beside me all the time.

[Yencat]

Bismarck's attacks are ranged.

Honestly, I'd rather they go the route of Bahamut and Phoenix and remove egis altogether. I want to summon during the fight, not have a pet beside me all the time.

Assuming they add another demi summon next expansion that'd be the best time to do it.

[Sheriyana]

Honestly, I'd rather they go the route of Bahamut and Phoenix and remove egis altogether. I want to summon during the fight, not have a pet beside me all the time.

I agree with this as well. Egis have always been a sad excuse for summons, and pets in XIV have been bad from the start, just remove them entirely and focus on the bigger demi summons.

[Vahlnir]

I agree with this as well. Egis have always been a sad excuse for summons, and pets in XIV have been bad from the start, just remove them entirely and focus on the bigger demi summons.

I hope that's where they are going. At lower levels...I could understand egis being there. But since they have given SMN Bahamut and Phoenix I think they could theoretically just phase egis out entirely by upgrading the spells like they do with other actions and jobs. Would also solve the "egi glamour" thing too, at least in my opinion. That said, I think that SMN just needs a rework from the ground up. Some may disagree with that though and that's fine. That's just my take on it.