The Echo and the Ascians

[MrThinker]

well i did went to check in game dialog cut me some slack , just the emet dialogs have a total time of 2 hours , imagine if every single one of them was about ascians TwT

Understandable. IF possible, we'd record all the dialogue in text format for ourselves, but that gets impractical real fast.

[HeulGDarian]

To be perfectly fair, we have no idea if the Sundering dividing us into 14 had an equal effect or exponential effect. Yes it might have divided us into 14, and thus the average body age into 14, but Emet-Selch implies with his dialogue before our journey to Eulmore that Immortality was indeed one of the aspects we lost in being sundered.

I assume it is equal parts , because the aether needs to be balanced , if the aether is unbalanced then the bigger part will start flowing and corrupting the rest like its happening in the first and like it happened in the 13th.

[MrThinker]

I assume it is equal parts , because the aether needs to be balanced , if the aether is unbalanced then the bigger part will start flowing and corrupting the rest like its happening in the first and like it happened in the 13th.

I more meant that if a soul with 9/14 of an Ancients soul is 9 times more powerful than a soul with 1/14, or if it is more k^n, where k is the base strength of the soul and n is the number of shards rejoined.

[HeulGDarian]

I more meant that if a soul with 9/14 of an Ancients soul is 9 times more powerful than a soul with 1/14, or if it is more k^n, where k is the base strength of the soul and n is the number of shards rejoined.

thats just immeasurable UwU . Especially when one point of comparison is "hey i got enough aether where i can conjure anything in existence just by thinking except souls" and the other is "i can conjure 3 things and then i need to apply a technique to gather and transmute aether in order to conjure something that will stay for 20 seconds , but only if i have a point of reference to begin with".

[Yuella]

The people of the First are not really weaker than Source people though otherwise we would beat Ranjit easily

[HeulGDarian]

The people of the First are not really weaker than Source people though otherwise we would beat Ranjit easily

they actually are, in fact if they are 1/14 in the first in the source we are 7/14 cause there are 7 sunderings that have happened. though i maybe wrong on the exact number of sunderings that have already happened =.=. might be 6/14 cause they failed on the 13th

[MrThinker]

they actually are, in fact if they are 1/14 in the first in the source we are 7/14 cause there are 7 sunderings that have happened. though i maybe wrong on the exact number of sunderings that have already happened =.=. might be 6/14 cause they failed on the 13th

Source + 7 shards (7 calamities) = 8/14

The people on the Source have over half of the soul shards rejoined with them. For us, we also get Ardbert fusing with us in the final act, so technically we have 9/14 of a unsundered soul. But the point Yuella was making was that there seems to be no notable 'physical' difference between the people of the Source and those of the First. The only tangible difference we know of is that we could restrain the primordial light again after Ardbert rejoins with us. And somehow gaining 5 more shards (theoretically) makes us able to create things on the scale of the Amaurot illusion. Soul physics is weird.

[HeulGDarian]

Source + 7 shards (7 calamities) = 8/14

The people on the Source have over half of the soul shards rejoined with them. For us, we also get Ardbert fusing with us in the final act, so technically we have 9/14 of a unsundered soul. But the point Yuella was making was that there seems to be no notable 'physical' difference between the people of the Source and those of the First. The only tangible difference we know of is that we could restrain the primordial light again after Ardbert rejoins with us. And somehow gaining 5 more shards (theoretically) makes us able to create things on the scale of the Amaurot illusion. Soul physics is weird.

but they have failed the first. its still there tormenting the alliance raid rlt , the world of darkness. one doesnt count

[Rosenstrauch]

but they have failed the first. its still there tormenting the alliance raid rlt , the world of darkness. one doesnt count

The shards that have been consumed via Rejoining during the Seven Umbral Calamities are as follows: The Fifth, The Twelfth, The Second, The Third, The Sixth, The Tenth, and the Seventh.

[Veloran]

I think it's more than just a change of mind. I forget the source here, but it's thought that the Echo functions, basically, by breaking down the barriers between the soul and the universe. This explains most of it's powers, such as blurring the distinction between the past, present and future, being able to communicate across all languages, allowing the soul to persist after death, literally "breaking your limits", etc. So with this in play what Elidibus means is, if they had a true, fully realized Echo, you would literally be able to understand and commune with each other as though you were of one mind. This would explain why the Amaurotines had such a peaceful, utopian society. Of course, it also explains the depths of the Ascian's hatred for Hydaelyn - Her power is literally to split things apart, down to the level of one's soul and even reality itself. To the Ancients, something like that must have been intrinsically anathema to their existence.