Dark knight, the past, the present and the future of the job.

[cactuarzzzz]

Idk, DRK has been one of the most if not the most job that have recived complains this expansion, i still remember all those threats with lots of ppl talking who horrible and lazy has been the rework, i even remember the ones that have been deleted without warning, and what we get?? nothing, just an "we consider the tanks are doing well" and proceed to complete ignoring us more than a year when other jobs with way less complains and support gets full kit and mechanics ajusttments, aka SMN and RDM ajustments, NIN rework, SAM mechanics more integrated and fixed ect ect, i just don't know what to think anymore.

Actually SAM didn't really get the real fix tho, Hagakure, Third Eye , Merciful Eyes, Seigen are there just for decorate the skill/ability list, Guren have no part in endgame raids beyond 70. There's only one strict play style and strict rotation revolve around Midare/Gaeshi.

[shao32]

DRK is never going to be "fixed." SE has moved DRK away from its HW iteration and StB iteration to this new ShB iteration. We can complain all we want, but SE is not going to adjust DRK to be like any previous iteration.

DRK ShB will be the new norm for now on. 6.0 DRK will be using ShB DRK as a base.


As for the DPS jobs: DPS jobs are SE's priority; not tanks nor healers.

DPS jobs are going to get the fixes since those jobs cater the majority. SE wants to "fix" BRD even, but they don't know how since the player-base is not committed to a specific theme for BRD.

SE is satisfied with tanks right now. ShB tank iterations are meeting what metrics SE has for tanks. Now it is just maintenance of whatever subs are left, which will more-than-likely be playing DPS and not tanks.

That's not need to be true, in HW SE made BRD being a caster and they did a 180º when ppl complaing during all over the expansion, im not gonna argue about this expansion i know SHB has been lost but for 6.0 they can and should change DRK, just bcs they settle it right now that's doesnt mean they are doing it right, the hate for delirium is bigger than dark arts spam.

On the other side i know SE cares about DPS more than the other roles thats why every expansion non DPS roles have some big problems of any kind due low invest on them just a sad reality.

Actually SAM didn't really get the real fix tho, Hagakure, Third Eye , Merciful Eyes, Seigen are there just for decorate the skill/ability list, Guren have no part in endgame raids beyond 70. There's only one strict play style and strict rotation revolve around Midare/Gaeshi.

They fixed Shoha wich was complety useless and a waste of space and make hagaruke a nice quality of life mechanic, third eye and related are kinda meh but still a dps gain and it's fun to optimice for me, merciful eyes is really useless i agree in that one and guren just become an aoe only skill, i agree that direction of make 2 skills being the same but for 2 diferent situations is silly but could be worse, in general i like SAM and get really a lot of love this expansion, tsubane gaeshi it's boring but really minor stuff.

[Xtrasweettea]

That's not need to be true, in HW SE made BRD being a caster and they did a 180º when ppl complaing during all over the expansion, im not gonna argue about this expansion i know SHB has been lost but for 6.0 they can and should change DRK, just bcs they settle it right now that's doesnt mean they are doing it right, the hate for delirium is bigger than dark arts spam.

That is also HW, which back then, SE had a different mind-set. The mind-set is very apparent between the two qualities of the content and jobs between HW and ShB. There seems to have been a shift in mind-set within SE at some point.

As for “not doing it right,” that is your opinion. That may not even be the aggregate opinion of the player-base. Now, I agree with your opinion, but I don’t know what to counteroffer. I am not going to counteroffer anything, as I am not as invested nor skilled enough to provide a counter (ie: casual).

On the other side i know SE cares about DPS more than the other roles thats why every expansion non DPS roles have some big problems of any kind due low invest on them just a sad reality.

That is the sad reality, but it is what it is. Unless the player-base is genuinely interested in playing tanks and healers, and their populations reflect that genuine interest, SE could cater more to tanks and healer.

I have never played an MMO nor any table top game where people were wanting to play tanks or healers. DPS is always the desired role.

[shao32]

Ok we can put SAM discussion on hold and save it for another time but I'm wondering what the dev who's in charge of tank role been doing in the past year to cause this long stagnant period of DRK? Nothing?

As far i know there is only 4 guys in the combat dev team and im pretty sure none onf them works on tanks or healers specifically, more like the gather together and dealt with everything every time without none of them dedicating they time to tanks and healers specifically and more like "mmm we have this list of complains, lets see what needs more help *cough DPS cough* and start working"

That is also HW, which back then, SE had a different mind-set. The mind-set is very apparent between the two qualities of the content and jobs between HW and ShB. There seems to have been a shift in mind-set within SE at some point.

As for “not doing it right,” that is your opinion. That may not even be the aggregate opinion of the player-base. Now, I agree with your opinion, but I don’t know what to counteroffer. I am not going to counteroffer anything, as I am not as invested nor skilled enough to provide a counter (ie: casual).

It's obvious they just go in to the oversimplification boat this expansion to get more casuals and dump everything challenging in this game for no reason bcs accesibility, now we barelly have nothing to invest and master skill wise right now but that doesn't excuse them to copy paste WAR gameplay and implement it to DRK betwen other things, besaid they word and actions are not law and they can rectified depending of what we want, i consider it's a mistake accetp everything they change or give to us without question them the poor effort they put on this, this game was remade bcs we complain, jobs and certain stuff has been 180º bcs we complaing about it, this game is based on that and still will be done.

yeah i didn't implique that was everyone opinion (and if i make you think otherwise then sorry wasn't my intention), but im pretty sure im not the only one thinking that fortunately.