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  1. #31
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    Fenral's Avatar
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    I'm (mostly) self-taught over a period of literal decades of exposure that started from a young age, so I don't really have that sort of reference. But I do have Jisho! It won't help with improper grammar like this case, but it will at least show that I'm not completely delusional:


    https://jisho.org/word/%E6%9D%A5%E3%82%8B

    https://jisho.org/sentences/51866632d5dda7e98100525e
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    あっきれた。

  2. #32
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    HamiltonCalder's Avatar
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    Carter Carradin
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    Hrm, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one in that case. All good, translation is always more art than science anyway. Guess we'll see in a few weeks!
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    "Cold comfort to the folk who died gettin' us here. Still, this peace is ours, and we owe it to ourselves to make the most of it."

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    Starkbeaumont's Avatar
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    Raegen Beaumont
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
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    unless there is more to it the german quote from page 1 doesn't refer to any kind of soul at all.
    it's really just about the presence of our character
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    LineageRazor's Avatar
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    Lineage Razor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deusteele View Post
    Second, he's recognizing the WoL's souls as possibly the 14th member of the Convocation and that they were originally female.
    This one's probably unlikely, given how surprised he is when he recognizes our soul during the final battle with him. At most, he might recognize the WoL's soul as an "old soul" - an Ancient's soul fragment - but to actually specifically see a Convocation member would make his shock later on pretty odd!
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    Jakaar Rakkin
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    This one's probably unlikely, given how surprised he is when he recognizes our soul during the final battle with him. At most, he might recognize the WoL's soul as an "old soul" - an Ancient's soul fragment - but to actually specifically see a Convocation member would make his shock later on pretty odd!
    This is always going to be up in the air. Yes, he is shocked to see his friend briefly after Ardbert rejoins with us, but this could be the shock of seeing them as they once were rather than "OMG it was YOU the entire time!". To me his "Bah! A trick of the light. You are but a broken husk" line reads to me as a refusal to acknowledge his friend lives in some form. Because accepting us as "alive" would undermine his Ascian beliefs. I could also address his mention of us not remembering Amaurot when we are at the Ladder, which, to me at least, implies that he is sort of disappointed that we do not remember a shared experience. Yes, you could argue that it doesn't mean anything like that, but that is how the framing of the scene plays out to me.

    Remember, the unsundered Ascians could raise up the shards of their fellow Convocation members, meaning they could recognise their souls. I believe Emet would have been able to easily recognise the soul of his friend. And if what Elidibus said is true, then ALL souls with the Echo are "old souls".
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    Last edited by MrThinker; 08-04-2020 at 07:28 AM.

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