I am going to say something unpopular . . .

[Awha]

Anxiety is not an excuse to place one needs above others, and being a new player is not a get out of responsibly card one can use at the drop of a hat.

Also please do not take being removed from a group as a personal attack unless the group stats it a personal attack. Being removed is not the end of the world and often times often just boils down a difference in play style which is inherently not a bad thing. People are different. On the same token please do not try to hold a group hostage but waiting out loot timers, engaging in combat to prevent a kick from going through.

Be it for whatever reason, respect one another across the board if the group wants to speed run and you do not feel okay with it request to be voted out of the group or leave on your own accord. Same if the group wants to take it slower do not needlessly put a player in a situation that makes them uncomfortable, but also as a player take steps to minimize that risk when possible.

We are all part of the same community.

[Vahlnir]

I am going to say something unpopular...

We didn't need another thread about this.

[Awha]

I am going to say something unpopular...

We didn't need another thread about this.

Truth be told do we really need any thread on the general forums? Also did not want to derail the thread since last time someone brought up anxiety was not a valid reason to expect others to cater to them it kind of turned into a hot mess.

[Penthea]

You could have simply said "don't be selfish" without targeting two specific groups of people. Far more than just anxious and new players cause problems in groups, but for some reason you felt the need to very much highlight these two. While overlooking the ever prevalent and far larger mmo issue of casual players in high level content using the "I only play for fun" card to avoid responsibility and accountability.

I can't help but feel that this post is intended to be addressed to a particular individual rather than some nugget of wisdom you hope to bestow upon the masses. The message in this post feels too specific for that.

[Kolsykol]

I dunno why people are having such bad experiences.
I just never have any, even when someone in the group fails hard or is new I don't see people being toxic.
I play on the EU servers tho I dunno how it is in NA.

[Awha]

You could have simply said "don't be selfish" without targeting two specific groups of people. Far more than just anxious and new players cause problems in groups, but for some reason you felt the need to very much highlight these two. While overlooking the ever prevalent and far larger mmo issue of casual players in high level content using the "I only play for fun" card to avoid responsibility and accountability.

I can't help but feel that this post is intended to be addressed to a particular individual rather than some nugget of wisdom you hope to bestow upon the masses. The message in this post feels too specific for that.

Was not aimed towards anyone, and I am not going to pretend to be the judge of what one finds fun verse another. Playing for fun is largely subjective at least in my opinion since that differs from person to person. Though people using anxiety or being new as a means to avoiding certain aspects of the game within a group setting is not really all that subjective in my opinion. Do not get me wrong if someone makes the choice to not want to do something that is fine, but trying to force others to bend to their will is also not right on either side of the fence. Though as you can see you felt it was aimed towards someone which was not my intent, though I did feel if I made this post in that thread others may feel the same and turn the thread into something it was not meant to be. Figured in its own thread by no means could someone feel that this was targeted at anyone person or play style.

I dunno why people are having such bad experiences.
I just never have any, even when someone in the group fails hard or is new I don't see people being toxic.
I play on the EU servers tho I dunno how it is in NA.

I am more or less in the same boat generally I do not have bad experiences within the DF since I mostly always play tank or healer, and if I do queue as dps I bring a friend along. Overall most encounters boil down to people simply taking it in stride though, and that is also not something I wish. If the group wants to go slower and I am going too fast for whatever reason I do wish people would either speak up or just vote kick me out of the group. No one should be subject to playing a certain way they do not desire the game does provide means to somewhat possibility avoid such experiences. Though for one reason or another people rather just take it in stride which is respectable, and also understandable but also does not make all that much sense to me.

[Penthea]

I dunno why people are having such bad experiences.
I just never have any, even when someone in the group fails hard or is new I don't see people being toxic.
I play on the EU servers tho I dunno how it is in NA.

I also play on EU and while I do get bad experiences they're honestly rare. Yea sure sometimes a few things annoy me but that's not the same as coming out of a DF instance with a massive sigh of relief and think "heaven above thank god that is over!"

I also very rarely see people initiate a vote kick.

Not saying EU players are better but maybe we're just more chilled out? I don't know, can't really compare with what I have not experienced. I haven't played on NA in DF more than just briefly with my first character who I got to only lvl 35 way back in ARR, so it was only a small handful of simple dungeons where friction isn't likely to take place anywhere.

[Vahlnir]

I can't help but feel that this post is intended to be addressed to a particular individual rather than some nugget of wisdom you hope to bestow upon the masses. The message in this post feels too specific for that.

Yep, exactly.

[Nedkel]

I am going to say something unpopular...

We didn't need another thread about this.

I have not seen this kind of thread for years.

[SenorPatty]

I am going to say something unpopular...

We didn't need another thread about this.

How could you say something so bold, yet so controversial?