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    StriderShinryu's Avatar
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    I love that everyone seems to know what everyone else in the group wants.

    There is no "3 people want it this way and 1 doesn't!" regardless of which way the wind is blowing. Just take the 3 seconds as the instance is loading in to actually talk to each other.
    It's all assumptions regardless of what you think the meta is, what your own personal desires are, what you had for breakfast this morning, etc.
    But yeah, if you're using DF you are going to put in a group with random people. That's your choice so, if you're making that choice, you should try to work together with the people you are grouped with. And yes, this means players of all stripes may need to play either above or below what they're comfortable with. Just remember that the game doesn't put any goalposts on DF other than clearing the content so, regardless of what you think the meta is, anything beyond that is player created and shouldn't be applied to everyone who plays the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StriderShinryu View Post
    I love that everyone seems to know what everyone else in the group wants.
    Yes I am truly amazed at how many telepaths are playing this game. I wonder if they know any fortune tellers. I'd like to know what drops next lockout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    Yes I am truly amazed at how many telepaths are playing this game. I wonder if they know any fortune tellers. I'd like to know what drops next lockout.
    Yes it is truly amazing given in 99 percent of the duties i run the only thing people say are Hi (and that's not a given for everyone) and thank you for the party but we all know some can read minds and know what everyone wants. I will admit that on some occassions the tank asks the healer if large pulls are ok but that doesn't happen very often. I've never seen in all my years playing this game a party vote on what the pull size should be in any duty I've run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    Yes it is truly amazing given in 99 percent of the duties i run the only thing people say are Hi (and that's not a given for everyone) and thank you for the party but we all know some can read minds and know what everyone wants. I will admit that on some occassions the tank asks the healer if large pulls are ok but that doesn't happen very often. I've never seen in all my years playing this game a party vote on what the pull size should be in any duty I've run.
    A lot of the time people say nothing out of not wanting to rock the boat, not because they are actually happy with whatever it is that's happening.

    Especially true if they're a dps because they often have to wait quite a long time to even get inside the instance. The last thing they want is to get kicked or have the group disband and have to go through a long queue again.

    Certainly for myself I have often kept my mouth shut if I'm being made to do something I don't like. I often just don't feel it's worth potentially starting an argument and stalling the instance if I can manage to do whatever it is even if I really am not enjoying myself.
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    Bjartur Arnason
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    Quote Originally Posted by StriderShinryu View Post
    I love that everyone seems to know what everyone else in the group wants.

    There is no "3 people want it this way and 1 doesn't!" regardless of which way the wind is blowing. Just take the 3 seconds as the instance is loading in to actually talk to each other.
    It's all assumptions regardless of what you think the meta is, what your own personal desires are, what you had for breakfast this morning, etc.
    Bolded for emphasis (mine). The thing is, and many have stated here I am sure, that there apparently is now a "Community Expectation" to just pull wall-to-wall. Period. No more communicating, or saying you want to do this or that. And lordy if you go against such "Community Expectations" you are a baaad person and should be kicked, leave, do PFs or Trusts.

    The thing is, this "Community Expectations" thing was created by players themselves. True, one could argue that SE essentially was the catalyst when they moved from branching dungeons to linear ones, as well as easy trash mobs between arbitrary barricades/walls. But they weren't the ones who said you must play this way. The player base decided that by finding the most optimal way to do a dungeon (which is really human nature) and it spread around.

    For those who suggest making a PF for it. Yeah right. Have you ever tried doing that? So then there are a few other options.

    1. Trusts/Squadrons. Now IIRC, Squadrons are only unlocked after a certain level and GC rank. So it isn't around for really new people. Also, they don't have all the dungeons there, nor do they go past level 60 dungeons. Same with Trusts. Only happen in ShB and after level 70 IIRC. So that idea only works in specific situations.

    2. Communicate. No matter your job you are playing. I understand those on PS4 might not have keyboards, but you can make macros! That's what I do to say hello and goodbye. Making one that you are new or that you take your time is possible.

    3. Deal and Move on. If those in the DF don't agree with your pace or are doing things you don't like, don't say anything and leave. Some might disagree with this, but it saves you from possibly getting reported and suspended (cause we all know how poo this new ToS is). Do other stuff for 30 minutes. It isn't the end of the world.

    I've started to take my own advice on this, as I used to get upset when I want to check out the lore in a new dungeon or see what was in that side room. Overall this is a game where you have fun. Don't get yourself upset over something so minuscule as a dungeon.
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    Last edited by AngelCheese77; 08-02-2020 at 06:58 AM.