Advertising sexual content in party finder

[Gula]

Well whatever lol.

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And seeing as how you're on Malboro I'm sure you've got a frequent flyer's card for these places. Just don't advertise it in PF bro! And what's worse is that it's never just one single post. No, it's like 3 at 1 time from various people spamming the PF so blacklisting 1 of them doesn't get rid of all of them. You know about the discord, so you know you have lots of options. I'm in it too and I've seen how civil they are. Don't enable the sexual abuse of minors, and stick to the resources made for you.

Apathy is death.

If you need that sort of gratification, why aren't you doing it in a game that's actually designed for it and would have more rigorous tools for screening out minors?

I too have asked people this multiple times. The answer I usually get is that FFXIV is still a fun game, so they want their lewds and raiding, crafting, ect. Other games that hand it to you like TERA are not as good, so there's no joy in slobbering over their scantly clad waifu and then going back to playing within the span of 5 minutes.

People who mod the game heavily have said the same thing even though IMVU and Second Life are just sitting there ready to use and cheaper than spending $$$ on a sub and cash shop items.

And to further play devil's advocate, there is a matter of community. You are more likely to find people with the same, heh, "tastes" as you in XIV over the types of people who use 18+ virtual chatting.

[Coletergeist]

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And seeing as how you're on Malboro I'm sure you've got a frequent flyer's card for these places. Just don't advertise it in PF bro! And what's worse is that it's never just one single post. No, it's like 3 at 1 time from various people spamming the PF so blacklisting 1 of them doesn't get rid of all of them. You know about the discord, so you know you have lots of options. I'm in it too and I've seen how civil they are. Don't enable the sexual abuse of minors, and stick to the resources made for you.

Apathy is death.



I too have asked people this multiple times. The answer I usually get is that FFXIV is still a fun game, so they want their lewds and raiding, crafting, ect. Other games that hand it to you like TERA are not as good, so there's no joy in slobbering over their scantly clad waifu and then going back to playing within the span of 5 minutes.

People who mod the game heavily have said the same thing even though IMVU and Second Life are just sitting there ready to use and cheaper than spending $$$ on a sub and cash shop items.

And to further play devil's advocate, there is a matter of community. You are more likely to find people with the same, heh, "tastes" as you in XIV over the types of people who use 18+ virtual chatting.

I Agree with what you said about the over posting, that shit is annoying but you are really taking me out of context here. What I am trying to say is that as long as they are doing various checks on age I don't see an issue with it in general. I don't use them myself, at least I haven't but my wife was interested in doing ERP services so I scoped them out to see if I could help her figure out how things work. My issue with this whole thread is that people are acting like it is some how horrible for a teen playing a teen game to see someone offering those services. Lord knows they probably see worse on twitter.

This game is meant to emulate a real world of sorts and people especially right now are spending as much time in game as they do in the real world, so of course these things are going to sprout up and I get that it is annoying if you are not into that sort of thing but to say that adults seeking out other adults to ERP with or to pay to ERP with is somehow going to burn out some kids eyes is a little silly. As long as they don't have anything graphic and they are simply letting people know that they offer it WITHOUT SPAMMING, then why is it an issue. Assuming they are all doing the proper checks and ERPing as adult characters with both people behind screen having confirmed that they are 18+. Oh and as long as they aren't asking for real cash for TOS reasons.

At any rate, I more than likely won't pop up in this particular thread any longer, since it seems whatever I'm saying is clearly being taken out of context, and clearly missing the point I'm trying to convey here.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Crystal hasn't been a good quarantine, Aether and Primal PF are just disgusting now.

Um. Crystal is like the public RP Datacenter. At least Mateus is (where my alt lives). There might not be any PF listings as bad as other datacenters but a walk through Ul'dah is... More of an adventure than it is in on other datacenters. Especially the Quicksand.

On Aether I don't have to worry about seeing pages of badly-written subtext as emotes. I will gladly take cabaret /bordello/bar advertisements at the bottom of PF where age restrictions are clearly marked over forced RP convos in a chat I can't block.

Kids should definitely be protected but no one is luring them to click or visit the location in the PF and even if they do, most of it is just emmersive RP that COULD possibly lead to ERP, maybe. I would rather SE concentrate on people advertising RMT activities (yes, even you IRL Feet Pics person)/static finding/etc. and misusing the labeling system to spam their crap at the top.

[Zsolen]

There are no proper checks. People claimed the checks cannot be done without a 3rd party app with voice or video in this very thread. They also said verifying in such a manner was creepy. It is fine to think that is creepy. However, why anyone thinks talking to an adult in voice is creepy, but having sexual conversations with someone that could be a minor is not I will never understand. Grooming exists everywhere online, and FFXIV is not immune to it. Lack of oversight allows it to occur.

[MintnHoney]

After conversing with some players who have "worked" in such "establishments," I've come to find that many of them did not allow, or even bother, with the "enhanced services" on offer, for their "customers," if the "customer" could not even do basic RP, or even feel remotely underaged, for all the reasons people wouldn't want them to and more.
I wouldn't engage in it, myself, but I think, when you're trying to roleplay an entire living world, every part of a living world is going to start cropping up in the roleplay, even for things that someone who's more prude would not enjoy (myself included, although I've seen some Roes and Hrtothgar, and, well... hmmm... >_>). I can't fault it for existing, and I'm not personally arsed (especially since it's not like we have people out and about hitting up passers-by with slapper tickets offering services up front) that they're advertising another element for roleplay.

Blatantly advertising in Party Finder for just eRP is awkward, but, outside of the blatant ads (which can certainly be reported, have fun), chances are, you're really just seeing an ad inviting you to look at an FC that's offering a "customer service setting" RP to serve "drinks" in exchange for a small amount of gil, in a moody bar-like atmosphere, and it's actually really not as salacious as one thinks it would be.

To be honest, if we're going to be upset about this, we should probably never let things like a butt slider become a thing, because we'll be calling attention to parts of the body which can lead to unsavory thoughts, and younger people would have difficulty controlling (and, sometimes, coming to terms with) their urges once those thoughts take hold. Is such a statement dramatic? In a sense, yes, but so is being upset that other players want to RP, in private, with other consenting parties, and don't air their dirty laundry for all to see and know the specifics of their interactions.

[Melichoir]

Bait or not, Ill bite.

it depends whats being advertised. A lot of the Brothel's are RP based and are stuff done in game between two players. (And to be frank, they have some of the more interestingly designed houses). Unless you want the Devs policing player interaction at all levels, there's not much to be done, unless there is compelling evidence for something pretty dark going on.

There are other content, however, that I think needs to be curtailed. Using PF to overtly solicit off platform adult or near adult activities should be removed.

[Gula]

I Agree with what you said about the over posting, that shit is annoying but you are really taking me out of context here. What I am trying to say is that as long as they are doing various checks on age I don't see an issue with it in general. I don't use them myself, at least I haven't but my wife was interested in doing ERP services so I scoped them out to see if I could help her figure out how things work. My issue with this whole thread is that people are acting like it is some how horrible for a teen playing a teen game to see someone offering those services. Lord knows they probably see worse on twitter.

This game is meant to emulate a real world of sorts and people especially right now are spending as much time in game as they do in the real world, so of course these things are going to sprout up and I get that it is annoying if you are not into that sort of thing but to say that adults seeking out other adults to ERP with or to pay to ERP with is somehow going to burn out some kids eyes is a little silly. As long as they don't have anything graphic and they are simply letting people know that they offer it WITHOUT SPAMMING, then why is it an issue. Assuming they are all doing the proper checks and ERPing as adult characters with both people behind screen having confirmed that they are 18+. Oh and as long as they aren't asking for real cash for TOS reasons.

At any rate, I more than likely won't pop up in this particular thread any longer, since it seems whatever I'm saying is clearly being taken out of context, and clearly missing the point I'm trying to convey here.

So I just learned CTRL+W closes a tab as I was in the middle of replying and tried to press SHIFT+W. And I am NOT retyping all that again.

So uh, just gonna say advertising a resource for other players to find these lounges, that's cool. But openly advertising straight up ERP- is not. And it doesn't matter what the kids saw before. If you hear someone swear, you don't go dropping F bombs in a classroom. That's just bad manners.

[NanaWiloh]

A determined cunning and manipulative predator roaming this game will find a victim as easily without the PF as they can with it. The PF is not their main avenue to finding and attacting victims its the chat channels. There are teens and full grown adults who play this game that are easily manipulated, easily tricked into trusting someone and handing out personal info. Should the advertisements be removed..Yes. Will it hurt Predators: Yes and No just depends on the predator and the victims. Will it save SE from trouble not really cause once again chat channels still exist, and SE cannot monitor every conversation in this game 24/7. SE will do what it can too keep the game a safe place to play, but like it or not players have to do their part and be responsible for their own actions or lack of action.

[Gula]

A determined cunning and manipulative predator roaming this game will find a victim as easily without the PF

A determined cunning and manipulative thief will always steal. A liar will always lie be it forgery or otherwise. Ect, ect. Doesn't mean people aren't supposed to stop trying to keep it at a minimum. And if they do manage to worm their way into a minor's personal space, then that is very unfortunate. But the goal is minimization as well as upholding the ToS. A bank has a bullet proof glass for tellers, should I bring 10 grenades? Irrelevant. Because the point is... there's bullet proof glass for the thousands of common thugs to not shoot the poor ladies in the face whilst demanding the money.

[NanaWiloh]

A determined cunning and manipulative thief will always steal. A liar will always lie be it forgery or otherwise. Ect, ect. Doesn't mean people aren't supposed to stop trying to keep it at a minimum. And if they do manage to worm their way into a minor's personal space, then that is very unfortunate. But the goal is minimization as well as upholding the ToS. A bank has a bullet proof glass for tellers, should I bring 10 grenades? Irrelevant. Because the point is... there's bullet proof glass for the thousands of common thugs to not shoot the poor ladies in the face whilst demanding the money.

Removing Erp Advertisements from the PF(Which yes they should be removed) is like knocking the cherry off a Sundae. Its not minimizing so much as its just removing Evidence of its existence from view.