Advertising sexual content in party finder

[Coletergeist]

I ain’t got anything against it, sex work is perfectly legal in my country. But they don’t advertise it on public spaces for everyone to see, and selling those services for irl money IS breaking TOS.

Also, I’m completely fine if it’s DMs between two Consenting ADULTS. Online, there’s no telling how old the people on the other end are.

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But this is always the case for almost everywhere? Like when I go to buy my pot online (because legal where I live) they just ask you to check mark that you're over the age of 18. Same for...like literally everywhere you go for almost anything, even pornhub. LOL. Do you want us to just cover our eyes and ears?

And also, it's rare that people actually spend irl money in PF, lmao. It's typically gil.

[NessaWyvern]

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But this is always the case for almost everywhere? Like when I go to buy my pot online (because legal where I live) they just ask you to check mark that you're over the age of 18. Same for...like literally everywhere you go for almost anything, even pornhub. LOL. Do you want us to just cover our eyes and ears?

And also, it's rare that people actually spend irl money in PF, lmao. It's typically gil.

Dude, there's a reason why alcohol and sex stuff isn't advertised on TV until late at night, to stop minors from seeing it. There's a reason why there's those checks for ages that you just said, to stop minors from buying it.
THERE'S NO CHECKS FOR MINORS IN THIS GAME. That's why it's against Terms of Service. Also, FF14 is in a lot of different countries, that have a lot of different laws on this kind of thing. Lets try to make sure that people don't break real-world laws in the game, lest the backlash lands on the game itself.

And there's a LOT of IRL money spending in this game. That "HQ feet pics" advertisement that I posted earlier? She wanted IRL money for those. They just move everything into discord so they don't get caught.

Just found this in an interview done around the time of last years Vegas fan fest. Thought I'd pass this along for anyone tat hasn't seen it.

^ If you follow this post back to the thread, it has Yoshi's official stance on that kind of thing.

If it's against ToS, it shouldn't be in PF. At lot of stuff is anyway, despite being against ToS, but it's perfectly fine for me to express my disapproval with it.
Tbh, if someone really wanted to, they could cause a mass-banning. All they would have to do, is walk into one of those PF advertised brothels, and start reportin' as soon as anything lewd shows up.

There's games and chat rooms specifically for lewd stuff out there, go to there instead of a game that specifically states that it's against their ToS.

[SturmChurro]

Dude, there's a reason why alcohol and sex stuff isn't advertised on TV until late at night, to stop minors from seeing it. There's a reason why there's those checks for ages that you just said, to stop minors from buying it.

THERE'S NO CHECKS FOR MINORS IN THIS GAME. That's why it's against Terms of Service. FF14 is in a lot of different countries, that have a lot of different laws on this kind of thing.

And there's a LOT of IRL money spending in this game. That "HQ feet pics" advertisement that I posted earlier? She wanted IRL money for those. They just move everything into discord so they don't get caught.

Yeah, the only real check is you agree that you are like 13 and older or whatever - which is probably considered a minor in like every single country. Even if you were the type to try and play the "16 is legal here" argument.

[NessaWyvern]

Yeah, the only real check is you agree that you are like 13 and older or whatever - which is probably considered a minor in like every single country. Even if you were the type to try and play the "16 is legal here" argument.

Yeap, in my country, FFXIV is restricted to 16+, as that is the age of consent here, and the government set it at that age because people might encounter those types of interactions online, and they want to protect minors.

However, in the United States of America, it's only 13+, and the age of consent over there, is 18. So engaging in any kind of sexual behaviour in-game could be breaking the laws in the U.S, as it could very well be a minor on the other end. You just don't know.
What's worse, is that there are a few people out there when they find out the other person is a minor, they then groom those minors.

ERP is against ToS for a reason.

[Coletergeist]

Well whatever lol.
I believe that for whoever signs up to go to one of those things is entirely up to them. Most PF have advisories stating such terms that they are generally 18+ so...whatever.
Adults are allowed to do adult things, no matter where. If not here, they have Twitter with way more smut than you see in FFXIV that's for sure; where they also don't have checks for those things either. Or you know, various other places that don't.

EDIT: And, you know what? lol most of the time these events and ERP are in Discord channels, where there ARE CHECKS for age for a NSFW channel. So....

[NessaWyvern]

Adults are allowed to do adult things, no matter where.

Erm, you’re wrong about that, mate.
You’re technically not allowed to do that in FFXIV, as it violates terms of service.
Also, IRL, there’s public decency laws. You can’t just have sex on a park bench or a sidewalk and not get arrested for it, lol.

[Coletergeist]

Erm, you’re wrong about that, mate.
You’re technically not allowed to do that in FFXIV, as it violates terms of service.
Also, IRL, there’s public decency laws. You can’t just have sex on a park bench or a sidewalk and not get arrested for it, lol.

That is not what I am saying. Of course you can't just go do that anywhere but these are usually in tells when they actually take place or even more often on discord where they almost always have a second age check other than when they said it in the first place on the post in PF. The point that I am trying to make is that there are ads for adult things everywhere, there is sex is movies and don't get me started on the fact that every website, every mmo, every game has sexual things in it. Why does it have to be a big deal that people offer services that someone wants it? It isn't breaking any law to advertise adult services, it might be against TOS but they sure don't seem to care because they don't do anything about it.

It isn't going to burn some kids eyes out to see someone saying they offer 18+ ERP. Besides these checks that they do are just like the ones that PHub or any adult website has. You are just clicking a button. It is silly to act like adults won't do these things with other adults, I mean come on.

[SilverObi]

While offering ERP services through the PF is cringe of various degrees depending on who you are, I'm fairly sure it falls under the same issue people had with clear sellers and the longest point of contention was that unless you can prove real money is part of the deal, SE doesn't really care (outside of actual harassment). Also if I remember correctly Yoshi-P's stance on ERP was actually in regards to him being questioned about RMT for ERP and not ERP itself, in a question posed in a notoriously bad interview/report. Also lest we forget this classic line: Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB. Stuff in public chat is tacky and totally fair game for reporting but unless you have proof of a wrongdoing of any kind, it's unfortunately in the category of having to move along and forget you saw it.

[Jojoya]

I don't see an issue with the PF "lewdness" because of this things called "mind your own business".
So...to the one that says "what if there's a legit adult behind the screen!?" like....how many kids do you think is playing this game by comparison to adults? Lol.
Most of these "advertisements" in PF also label as such if they are lewd for the most part saying "18+, mature, etc" soooooo, by THAT point, that is entirely 100% their fault....aka the child, for interacting with that group in PF. Not SE, not the player that created said PF group.

By putting into Party Finder, which is a form of public communication in the game, you're making it everybody's business because you are advertising to everyone regardless of whether they are minors or adults.

Nowhere in the ToS does it state that listing "18+" will absolve the player of any wrongdoing by engaging in activity that is prohibited by the ToS. You still agree to behave accordingly with the knowledge that the other players around you and reading what you put into chat may be as young as 13.

If you want to send a tell to your friend that you know without question is of legal consent age to come over to your personal housing and engage in whatever, SE has no reason to get involved unless you bother your friend after they said "No". You've kept it private between you and your friend.

Soliciting on PF for random players to join you? That activity needs to be stopped.

First of all; why? Why is that an issue to you? If there's a market for people that want to literally game with a female and talk to them while gaming, how is that hurting you in any manner? I just....

So, would you also say something like phone sex is also a thing you hate?

If there's people, whether male or female, wants to spend money on such a thing, like...literally why does that matter?

The game isn't released as a tool for soliciting sexual encounters.

If you need that sort of gratification, why aren't you doing it in a game that's actually designed for it and would have more rigorous tools for screening out minors?

[SamSmoot]

I haven't noticed this on Exodus. Just checked now, I see 24 entries total in PF.
15 for instance runs
1 for the hunt
6 in the None category, consisting of:
"4 events a week"?
Selling crafting mats
Duty completion
Something open for breakfast ??
FC invite
Complaint about FC advertising.