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  1. #111
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    Extremely Limited Window: 10 days for a ranking season is fine; A single, winner-take-all 10-day ranking over the course of 3~4 months is less so. I can't enjoy my "competition" if my competitors aren't around to challenge me. I want a fight, not a steamroll because an indeterminate amount of people are unable to even try because of scheduling issues.

    Botting: Nothing really to comment here since I genuinely have no proof of seeing folks around me do it. (If they were doing it, they most certainly weren't on Mateus.) What I *can* say however, is this is the kind of competition that encourages botting because of the sheer time investment needed to place top 12 on some servers. I obviously don't condone botting, but I can at least fathom why folks would turn to it, since placing top 12 on some servers requires 4+ hours a day of grinding crafting of all things. (Not even my Ultimate prog was that demanding. Is this what the devs wanted from this?)




    All that said, let's assume that the new title comes out and nothing about the system changes at all. To those who are dreading doing the grind again, this is for you:

    You do not need the title(s).
    It is not the end of the world if you do not get them.
    You survived/had fun before the title(s) came out, you will survive/have fun after.
    There are better/more impressive titles to don.
    You risking your job, health, and sanity for some text that someone at their office took 3 seconds to implement is. Not. Worth. It.
    Please take care of yourselves. I understand that FOMO is a thing and that some folks have a genuinely hard time ignoring it's call, but you gotta rise past it if it is genuinely hurting you and your enjoyment of the game.
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    Last edited by Phantasmal; 07-25-2020 at 05:08 PM.

  2. #112
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Part 2/2

    Extremely Limited Window: 10 days for a ranking season is fine; A single, winner-take-all 10-day ranking over the course of 3~4 months is less so. I can't enjoy my "competition" if my competitors aren't around to challenge me. I want a fight, not a steamroll because an indeterminate amount of people are unable to even try because of scheduling issues.

    Botting: Nothing really to comment here since I genuinely have no proof of seeing folks around me do it. (If they were doing it, they most certainly weren't on Mateus.) What I *can* say however, is this is the kind of competition that encourages botting because of the sheer time investment needed to place top 12 on some servers. I obviously don't condone botting, but I can at least fathom why folks would turn to it, since placing top 12 on some servers requires 4+ hours a day of grinding crafting of all things. (Not even my Ultimate prog was that demanding. Is this what the devs wanted from this?)




    All that said, let's assume that the new title comes out and nothing about the system changes at all. To those who are dreading doing the grind again, this is for you:

    You do not need the title(s).
    It is not the end of the world if you do not get them.
    You survived/had fun before the title(s) came out, you will survive/have fun after.
    There are better/more impressive titles to don.
    You risking your job, health, and sanity for some text that someone at their office took 3 seconds to implement is. Not. Worth. It.
    Please take care of yourselves. I understand that FOMO is a thing and that some folks have a genuinely hard to ignoring it's call, but you gotta rise past it if it is genuinely hurting you and your enjoyment of the game.
    Crafting in this game doesn't show your "Proficiency" for the craft sadly. And all that proposal does is reward those with higher RNG at their skills working for their given craft at the time. Sure, Macros are a given successful completion for the most part. But when you take in to account the recipes needed to be done manually are a chance base proc on a skill working or not. That's not competitive. It's just luck based. A complete rework of this system would also require a complete rework of the crafting skills. Just keep the titles the same
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  3. #113
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lecru View Post
    Crafting in this game doesn't show your "Proficiency" for the craft sadly. And all that proposal does is reward those with higher RNG at their skills working for their given craft at the time. Sure, Macros are a given successful completion for the most part. But when you take in to account the recipes needed to be done manually are a chance base proc on a skill working or not. That's not competitive. It's just luck based. A complete rework of this system would also require a complete rework of the crafting skills. Just keep the titles the same
    Definitely not claiming the limited turn-in window is a perfect system or anything, I just think (almost anything) is better than just "Expert Crafts but x1000." The simplest answer would be to just keep the titles the same, but I just think there could be more done to make the whole of Ishgard restoration more memorable than just "that time I had zero fun grinding my face off."
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    Rescue pulling a tank is a viable way of communicating, "Pull more, I can handle it."

  4. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Definitely not claiming the limited turn-in window is a perfect system or anything, I just think (almost anything) is better than just "Expert Crafts but x1000." The simplest answer would be to just keep the titles the same, but I just think there could be more done to make the whole of Ishgard restoration more memorable than just "that time I had zero fun grinding my face off."
    Unfortunately, we are just over 1 month out from 5.31 (assuming a 2 week delay from 5.3 drop), and for some reason I don't think that's enough time for them to make things more interesting. So, for this phase at least, let us default to option that requires the least amount of work.
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  5. #115
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    Unfortunately, we are just over 1 month out from 5.31 (assuming a 2 week delay from 5.3 drop), and for some reason I don't think that's enough time for them to make things more interesting. So, for this phase at least, let us default to option that requires the least amount of work.
    Yeah I completely agree
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  6. #116
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuSaarva View Post
    I have done some in less than 2 minutes the average is 2 minutes and 20+ seconds.
    Good for you. If you're doing the highest possible collectibility, no retries or practice, most ability efficient method for Expert crafts in under 2 minutes each, you're far above us lesser mortals and would hit an easy 1st place.

    In the meantime stop hijacking suggestions that are not set in stone at all with pointless nitpicks. Cheers
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  7. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Good for you. If you're doing the highest possible collectibility, no retries or practice, most ability efficient method for Expert crafts in under 2 minutes each, you're far above us lesser mortals and would hit an easy 1st place.

    In the meantime stop hijacking suggestions that are not set in stone at all with pointless nitpicks. Cheers
    The solution is to increase the difficulty by a large amount, so much that it's impossible to macro them, there is no reason to ever have any competition while they are this easy.
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  8. #118
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    Damien Omega
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    PVP mounts are sacred and not coming back so the title is not coming back. New title incoming. Old title is sacred can't touch it. Get ready to compete again. Or don't who care you cant collect everything in the game anyways.
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  9. #119
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    Lags Fenris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malakii View Post
    PVP mounts are sacred and not coming back so the title is not coming back. New title incoming. Old title is sacred can't touch it. Get ready to compete again. Or don't who care you cant collect everything in the game anyways.
    Except, you know, pvp titles are the same for each season
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  10. #120
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    A poll has been started on twitter and I thought that I would drop it here as it is in regards to the topic at hand:

    https://twitter.com/Pixel_Thiefy/sta...99004643643394
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