Regarding Firmament Titles For 5.3

[Liam_Harper]

I'm all for new titles and things to chase, DoH/L badly needs challenging endgame content. However, the current system isn't healthy, it's a test of hours spammed rather than player skill or knowledge and I'm amazed they didn't learn from it.

The ranking system should have been as follows:
-You get 30 sets of materials.
-The Expert collectibles have no collectibility cap or something like 999k.
-You can hand in 25 for the entire season. That's it. The 5 leeway is for very bad rng or dc's.
-Your scoring is based on collectibility rating.
-You can use the practice materials before you go for your final product.

With the above system they could easily allow continuous 10 day seasons throughout the patch, keeping Expert crafting alive. Spam crafting thousands of these in 10 days, never knowing whether someone will bump you down to 13th place at the last minute, is not healthy or enjoyable gameplay.

I know some people have concern for bots when it comes to this, but I do my best to report them when I see them in the Diadem (they do really rapid gathering, even faster than quick gather, so it's super easy to spot).

Great you enjoy it, but just wanted to point out that they very rarely ban player bots. They don't seem to be allowed to scan for third party software on individual accounts and unlike RMT sellers who basically announce they're engaging in RMT in open chat, player bots don't openly provide proof.

[Arillyn]

I'm all for new titles and things to chase, DoH/L badly needs challenging endgame content. However, the current system isn't healthy, it's a test of hours spammed rather than player skill or knowledge and I'm amazed they didn't learn from it.

The ranking system should have been as follows:
-You get 30 sets of materials.
-The Expert collectibles have no collectibility cap or something like 999k.
-You can hand in 25 for the entire season. That's it. The 5 leeway is for very bad rng or dc's.
-Your scoring is based on collectibility rating.
-You can use the practice materials before you go for your final product.

With the above system they could easily allow continuous 10 day seasons throughout the patch, keeping Expert crafting alive. Spam crafting thousands of these in 10 days, never knowing whether someone will bump you down to 13th place at the last minute, is not healthy or enjoyable gameplay.

I'm surprised they did it the way they did it honestly. I think your idea makes more sense. I did grind crafts out over days for my placement. It was NOT healthy but I thought "It's only this one time if I can get in the Top 12 - Yoshi said you get it you can't do it again" and that kept me going. I don't want to have to do that again.

Also as someone said earlier - there was a sense of camaraderie and good-nature competition. I remember the last night especially in the Firmament where everyone was busily crafting away to get those last ones done to turn in - seeing other crafters that you knew you were in the run with because you'd been watching your progress with theirs on the leader boards everyday - not knowing "Will I stay in the Top 12? Will I get bumped out?" But everyone was talking and laughing and then after the time ended to turn it all in - we all wished each other good luck.

I also have friends who couldn't do it at that time because of other obligations and some who said "I will do it the next season for that title" - because we had been told it would be the same. I really don't want SE to go back on this.

edit: typos

[ACE135]

Please keep the same titles for all rounds of the ranking. Otherwise it's just another big punch in the face for most players from SE. And it is not the first time they did something like that.

But hey, most likely SE will say that we just missunderstood their initial statement. And then the statement that we don't need to grind again for the title makes sense, because we can't grind again for a title that isn't available anymore, when all rounds will have different titles.

[RyuSaarva]

I'm all for new titles and things to chase, DoH/L badly needs challenging endgame content. However, the current system isn't healthy, it's a test of hours spammed rather than player skill or knowledge and I'm amazed they didn't learn from it.

The ranking system should have been as follows:
-You get 30 sets of materials.
-The Expert collectibles have no collectibility cap or something like 999k.
-You can hand in 25 for the entire season. That's it. The 5 leeway is for very bad rng or dc's.
-Your scoring is based on collectibility rating.
-You can use the practice materials before you go for your final product.

With the above system they could easily allow continuous 10 day seasons throughout the patch, keeping Expert crafting alive. Spam crafting thousands of these in 10 days, never knowing whether someone will bump you down to 13th place at the last minute, is not healthy or enjoyable gameplay.



Great you enjoy it, but just wanted to point out that they very rarely ban player bots. They don't seem to be allowed to scan for third party software on individual accounts and unlike RMT sellers who basically announce they're engaging in RMT in open chat, player bots don't openly provide proof.

25 lol, it takes about 1 hour to make those.

[Liam_Harper]

25 lol, it takes about 1 hour to make those.

I thought you did Expert Crafts yourself? You're making 30 (the 5 leeway) and you'd never do one in 2 minutes. They don't work like that, generally an average of 4-5. Remember you're fine tuning your method with practice materials first before even starting and you only get those 30 tries so to hit top 12 you're being careful and making every craft count with 0 mistakes and max efficiency. No Patient/Rapid spam and toss the fails aside and go again.

Now 30 crafts is hardly a set number, I'm just tossing ideas out in the moment on the forums and a team of developers could fine tune something from it. But the point is there are far better ways of handling the ranked seasons.

[RyuSaarva]

I thought you did Expert Crafts yourself? You're making 30 (the 5 leeway) and you'd never do one in 2 minutes. They don't work like that, generally an average of 4-5. Remember you're fine tuning your method with practice materials first before even starting and you only get those 30 tries so to hit top 12 you're being careful and making every craft count with 0 mistakes and max efficiency. No Patient/Rapid spam and toss the fails aside and go again.

Now 30 crafts is hardly a set number, I'm just tossing ideas out in the moment on the forums and a team of developers could fine tune something from it. But the point is there are far better ways of handling the ranked seasons.

I have done some in less than 2 minutes the average is 2 minutes and 20+ seconds.

[Liam_Harper]

I have done some in less than 2 minutes the average is 2 minutes and 20+ seconds.

Good for you. If you're doing the highest possible collectibility, no retries or practice, most ability efficient method for Expert crafts in under 2 minutes each, you're far above us lesser mortals and would hit an easy 1st place.

In the meantime stop hijacking suggestions that are not set in stone at all with pointless nitpicks. Cheers

[RyuSaarva]

Good for you. If you're doing the highest possible collectibility, no retries or practice, most ability efficient method for Expert crafts in under 2 minutes each, you're far above us lesser mortals and would hit an easy 1st place.

In the meantime stop hijacking suggestions that are not set in stone at all with pointless nitpicks. Cheers

The solution is to increase the difficulty by a large amount, so much that it's impossible to macro them, there is no reason to ever have any competition while they are this easy.

[Malakii]

PVP mounts are sacred and not coming back so the title is not coming back. New title incoming. Old title is sacred can't touch it. Get ready to compete again. Or don't who care you cant collect everything in the game anyways.