Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I'm not sure what's going on in this thread anymore...

Don't try man. Its not worth it.

[WhiteArchmage]

It's circled back into "Male Viera should look how I want them to look because X" except with a lot of barbs and dodgy "logic".

Honestly, I'd REALLY want someone to actually link BadLala to Yoshi-P's stance on the gender locks, i.e. the "promise" that gets thrown around (note: because I know my posts tend to be taken the wrong way, they have been asking for that source for about 20 pages but I REALLY don't want to look for it.). Mostly because it's already been shared in the thread but I really don't want to look for it. In general: it wasn't textually a promise, more of an acknowledgement of the fandom's wishes surrounding male Viera, female Roegadyns, and female Highlanders; sort of a "commitment" although the more accurate word would be "desire" to "do better" in the future. Nothing so binding as a promise (And I say that as a HUGE M!Viera/F!Hrothgar supporter, damn I'd play a Ronso Warrior-Lady in a heartbeat).

It'll probably circle back into "But Lore!" in 10 to 20 pages.

[Fredco191]

Since we seem to be on the "Male Viera should look like this/that because blah blah." bit again. I’ll just say this:
I just hope the male Viera will have giant beard options. They’re my last hope at this point. And that’s if they even get added.

[Amnmaat]

Well, fortunately unlike you, I can keep mine in check.

My nature is one backed up by facts and solid evidence. Yours on the other hand has no basis of anything, and when called out you resort to "good story bro." if that's the extent of your male Viera debates refrain from addressing my statements.

Since we seem to be on the "Male Viera should look like this/that because I want them to." bit again. I’ll just say this:
I just hope the male Viera will have giant beard options. They’re my last hope at this point. And that’s if they even get added.

Yes, as well as more mustache options. Male Roegadyn dominates the beard options in a great way, but even they don't have a good amount of mustache options. Instead of racial tattoos I'd love if they changed that to mustache options.
Something like this would be great

[Theodric]

Oh, well...

I've had my fill of suggesting what they should look like. I'm not getting involved in that again.

[CrispyUnicycle]

Oh, well...

I've had my fill of suggesting what they should look like. I'm not getting involved in that again.

i agree, it’s nothing but a headache

let’s talk about bangaa instead

[BadLala]

It's circled back into "Male Viera should look how I want them to look because X" except with a lot of barbs and dodgy "logic".

Honestly, I'd REALLY want someone to actually link BadLala to Yoshi-P's stance on the gender locks, i.e. the "promise" that gets thrown around (note: because I know my posts tend to be taken the wrong way, they have been asking for that source for about 20 pages but I REALLY don't want to look for it.). Mostly because it's already been shared in the thread but I really don't want to look for it. In general: it wasn't textually a promise, more of an acknowledgement of the fandom's wishes surrounding male Viera, female Roegadyns, and female Highlanders; sort of a "commitment" although the more accurate word would be "desire" to "do better" in the future. Nothing so binding as a promise (And I say that as a HUGE M!Viera/F!Hrothgar supporter, damn I'd play a Ronso Warrior-Lady in a heartbeat).

It'll probably circle back into "But Lore!" in 10 to 20 pages.

That's what I remember happening and could find. It was more of desire to satisfy players' demand, not a stance or a promise against genderlocking. And of course after determining the cost of adding them. Because it doesn't make sense that he'd promise no more genderlocking and in 2013 say he'd make female Viera only and another race for the male counterpart. They weren't thinking of designing Hrothgar or any beastly race at that point. So it shows that he never saw genderlocking as an issue and the reason that the missing genders in 1.0 were a "must add", according to Yoshida, was the high demand for them. If they added Au Ra instead, players would be upset that their demands were not listened to again. And now with the case of female Viera and male Horthgar, there were demands for both, according to him. But they can only afford the cost of two playable characters. If they were to overcome the cost issue in the future and can add another race, male Viera and female Hrothgar would be a "must add" just like back in 1.0.

The main reason I see for driving up their cost is how they model each gear piece and how it interacts with each other. From Yoshida's butt slider response recently, it shows that they do not have an automated way of adjusting clothes that clip with large butts and would have to do that manually. Which is why a simple slider request is hard to satisfy. But if they were to automate these processes so that it requires little to no work when adjusting a gear piece for all races, then we'd not only see male Viera and female Hrothgar, but also other races in the future can be possible if the game still continues.

[Theodric]

As an aside, I admittedly don't know a whole lot about the game itself but...apparently PSO2 is getting something along the lines of the 1.0 ---> 2.0 treatment:

Source: https://www.pcgamer.com/phantasy-sta...in-the-series/

Why am I bringing it up here? Well, I thought it'd be interesting to note given that FFXIV is held back in many regards, especially in regards to the dated character models, excessive menus and various 'limitations' that make certain parts of the game difficult to update.

Recent interviews suggest that the intention is for FFXIV to continue to go on for quite a while, though I do wonder if that means another major revamp of the game as a whole somewhere down the line. If nothing else? Maybe the healthy competition from upcoming and existing MMO's will encourage the missing genders, character model upgrades and character customisation updates to be seen as a higher priority.

[Amnmaat]

Quality and time are the issues, not the cost; as he said "you can't simply just throw money." What they'd need to do is find a few more 3D artists that are on the level of their current 3D artists, that would only happen if they can steal a few of them from other japanese game development companies. Since I don't see that happening I don't see male Viera happening. I just don't know how they'll be able to sell the next expansion at the same time that they tell us they can't add male Viera and to understand without something else to soften the blow; character creator upgrade, glamour system upgrade, job system upgrade, Fates system upgrade. They have to upgrade or introduce new systems to really make us feel like they're doing more than the bare minimum, specially with the hard stab that comes from an outright rejection of the missing genders. While he might say "we might add them in future expansions," that will ring really hollow, the game will be severely aged in terms of its popularity. Theme parks are something we outgrow when it's the same playground with different colors.

As an aside, I admittedly don't know a whole lot about the game itself but...apparently PSO2 is getting something along the lines of the 1.0 ---> 2.0 treatment:

Source: https://www.pcgamer.com/phantasy-sta...in-the-series/

Why am I bringing it up here? Well, I thought it'd be interesting to note given that FFXIV is held back in many regards, especially in regards to the dated character models, excessive menus and various 'limitations' that make certain parts of the game difficult to update.

Recent interviews suggest that the intention is for FFXIV to continue to go on for quite a while, though I do wonder if that means another major revamp of the game as a whole somewhere down the line. If nothing else? Maybe the healthy competition from upcoming and existing MMO's will encourage the missing genders, character model upgrades and character customisation updates to be seen as a higher priority.

That's great news. This is the kind of stuff that can hack away at Square enix and their complacency to do the bare minimum with a new a coat of paint. I always had my eye on PSO, hell I played the hell out of PSO back in 2001-2002 on the Dreamcast and then later on Gamecube. If it gets a great 1.0-2.0 treatment I'll definitely try it out.

[Lauront]

I've heard it said they tend to target experienced hires, rather than training up new staff - with the exception of the battle design team where MMO-specialised talent is so scarce in Japan that they're forced to do that as it is the only option. If they can't find enough experienced hires at a wage they're happy to pay, maybe they can focus on training up staff to meet their requirements as a longer term investment. The game does need a new coat of paint and quite a bit more besides.

As an aside, I admittedly don't know a whole lot about the game itself but...apparently PSO2 is getting something along the lines of the 1.0 ---> 2.0 treatment:

Source: https://www.pcgamer.com/phantasy-sta...in-the-series/

Why am I bringing it up here? Well, I thought it'd be interesting to note given that FFXIV is held back in many regards, especially in regards to the dated character models, excessive menus and various 'limitations' that make certain parts of the game difficult to update.

Recent interviews suggest that the intention is for FFXIV to continue to go on for quite a while, though I do wonder if that means another major revamp of the game as a whole somewhere down the line. If nothing else? Maybe the healthy competition from upcoming and existing MMO's will encourage the missing genders, character model upgrades and character customisation updates to be seen as a higher priority.

It's an encouraging example, at the least. There's quite a few promising MMOs on the horizon, but I'll reserve judgement on that until we see how they actually perform. Maybe it'll push SE to be more ambitious, particularly if they really do want the game to continue for as long as Yoshi says they do. Apparently something "huge" is in the works but what that might be is anyone's guess.