The Devs apparently learned very little from the bad aspects of Eureka.

[Jennah]

They learned the most important lesson: that it's going to be possible to get the relic weapons without doing the Southern Bozja FATE grinding at all.

I don't care how ridiculous they make the alternative method; I for one will be doing it instead. Unless Bozja is somehow in practice nothing at all like Eureka; which seems very unlikely from the LL's preview.

[Morningstar1337]

They learned the most important lesson: that it's going to be possible to get the relic weapons without doing the Southern Bozja FATE grinding at all.

I don't care how ridiculous they make the alternative method; I for one will be doing it instead. Unless Bozja is somehow in practice nothing at all like Eureka; which seems very unlikely from the LL's preview.

I mean the first time they offered alternate method of getting a relic (in this case Anima) it was by....turning in a completed Zeta, if this turns out similar you'd just be trading one Eureka like instance for 4 Eukeka instances

[Vahlnir]

I mean the first time they offered alternate method of getting a relic (in this case Anima) it was by....turning in a completed Zeta, if this turns out similar you'd just be trading one Eureka like instance for 4 Eukeka instances

That really wasn't much of an alternative method, at least not when the Anima weapons were introduced. It shaved maybe a couple hours off the grind and then you were stuck with everyone else farming poetics and doing beast tribe dailies. If I had known it wouldn't provide me with any real boost to the process I'd have farmed crystals myself and left my Zeta intact.

[Gula]

Who are you to say the devs did or did not learn when you literally have not touched the content?

This is why job changes stopped coming in Live Letters.

It's like you're telling someone chocolate/vanilla tastes awful without having a single taste.

[Amnmaat]

Yeah that Heavensward relic first step where you could turn in last expansion's completed relic was a bonus, a thank you to those that finished it. It wasn't meant to be something that could be done for the later steps. The alternate way of getting the relic in Shadowbringers they hinted at it being what people that didn't like Eureka preferred; the old way, the tome grind/fate grind/lights grind in existing content. I was set on doing this relic the old "Heavensward" way but after seeing how different Bozja is to Eureka I might actually really enjoy Bozja. We'll see though, I really liked how we used to get relics before Eureka.

[Soupa]

Allow me to offer this list as my rebuttal to this thread.
1) The content isn't out yet, so saying the devs haven’t learned is something we don’t know. (And I personally disagree with after seeing the improvements)
2) Some people don’t enjoy the people who afk and only contribute when needed get the same rewards as people spawning hunts/NMs/whatever else.
3) welcome to optional relic weapon grind content to keep you busy so the devs can collect sub money. Square Enix is a company.
4) It sounds like this content will force you to communicate and make friends with people to improve and grow and learn to defeat its critical engagements.
Oh no. What a nightmare, content that forces you to play in a group environment that is also time consuming and actually having to participate. It’s like this game is an MMORPG or something.

[Gula]

Allow me to offer this list as my rebuttal to this thread.
1) The content isn't out yet, so saying the devs haven’t learned is something we don’t know. (And I personally disagree with after seeing the improvements)
2) Some people don’t enjoy the people who afk and only contribute when needed get the same rewards as people spawning hunts/NMs/whatever else.
3) welcome to optional relic weapon grind content to keep you busy so the devs can collect sub money. Square Enix is a company.
4) It sounds like this content will force you to communicate and make friends with people to improve and grow and learn to defeat its critical engagements.
Oh no. What a nightmare, content that forces you to play in a group environment that is also time consuming and actually having to participate. It’s like this game is an MMORPG or something.

While I agree with you completely, I'd like to bring up XIV being very poor in terms of socialization. To focus on American and EU worlds, there is no incentive to actually talk with anyone. And many players just accept FC invites because they don't know what they mean nor care because of the buffs.

This game's difficulty is usually scaled for the lowest common denominator. And as such, you can clear any content as long as your party carries you or you are able to press 1-2-3. No more than that.

That said, it actually is a nightmare for some people because they got all the way to Shadowbringers (assuming no jump potions) and actually have to treat the game like a real MMO instead of a single player game with other people in the same area.

[LalafellDown]

I hate limited content, it make me feel rushed. It gives that anxiety of missing out. Especially since this content will die out eventually like Eureka. I understand they’re trying to prevent AFKer from getting credit, at lest allow people who actively participate in the events to get a guaranteed spot, even if it is all the players on the map.

I hope the battles aren’t just Fates and are actually battles happening.

[Bellsong]

The limit to how many people was probably to try and combat AFK's, but it's gonna be mad disheartening to not be picked even though you helped spawn the engagement, which I imagine is gonna happen fairly often early off, and then even more once people figure out the exact spawn requirements and do them step by step. It's gonna be a shitfest and I can imagine it'll get changes between release and 6.0.

I wanna just say "Just wait and play it and see!" and I'm truly hopeful I'm wrong and this content turns out to be a lot of fun for a lot of people, but at the same time the writing is kinda on the wall in the same way that anyone could have seen the ishgard fates turning out like they did with world hopping available.

It's like SE saw people saying how much they'd prefer housing to just be a lottery instead of a timer, and figured "Okay, everyone must like lotteries! Lets make that the mechanic!!"

[AncientCrystal]

I hate limited content, it make me feel rushed. It gives that anxiety of missing out. Especially since this content will die out eventually like Eureka. I understand they’re trying to prevent AFKer from getting credit, at lest allow people who actively participate in the events to get a guaranteed spot, even if it is all the players on the map.

I hope the battles aren’t just Fates and are actually battles happening.

It's not limited. It's staying in the game for good.