The Devs apparently learned very little from the bad aspects of Eureka.

[Gula]

Who are you to say the devs did or did not learn when you literally have not touched the content?

This is why job changes stopped coming in Live Letters.

It's like you're telling someone chocolate/vanilla tastes awful without having a single taste.

[EaMett]

Who are you to say the devs did or did not learn when you literally have not touched the content?

This is why job changes stopped coming in Live Letters.

It's like you're telling someone chocolate/vanilla tastes awful without having a single taste.

This isn't really a valid argument. If you have a trained palate you don't need to taste a dish to know it'll taste awful from the ingredients alone. It's the same with class changes, a veteran player will instantly know how changes will affect their class just from reading tooltips. That's why the wide majority of pre-release complaints turn out to be spot on. I suspect that they stopped giving out info not because of this but because their SDLC doesn't allow for changes that late in the release process so they can't listen to us even if they wanted to.
There's enough information on this to have a decent idea of what it'll entail. You still need to grind mobs to pop stuff, same logos action type mechanics and grinds, etc. etc.

[Deceptus]

This isn't really a valid argument. If you have a trained palate you don't need to taste a dish to know it'll taste awful from the ingredients alone. It's the same with class changes, a veteran player will instantly know how changes will affect their class just from reading tooltips. .

Pretty much this. Whenever SE puts RNG in this game they always go extremely low first and then up the rates to really low as time goes by.

So when they say there are items that prioritize you getting into the critical engagements you can bet your Gil they are going to be really rare to obtain.

Eureka gear had huge benefit in Eureka it was the only gear in the game with Elemental Bonus +, this made you do more damage and take less damage. The difference between using the elemental eureka gear and not having it was huge.

To obtain most of the stuff with the Elemental Bonus you had to go into Baldesion Arsenal. According to:

https://ffxivcollect.com/mounts/186

Only 13% of the player base has the Ozma Mount, meaning cleared BA.

Hate to be that guy, but this content isn't for this games lowest common denominator unless they’re willing to adapt.

I disagree. Relic content isn't supposed to be "hard" by any means, provided you were willing to put forth the time on the grind. It has almost always catered to the low denominators.

[BadLala]

To obtain most of the stuff with the Elemental Bonus you had to go into Baldesion Arsenal. According to:

https://ffxivcollect.com/mounts/186

Only 13% of the player base has the Ozma Mount, meaning cleared BA..

Clearing BA is not required to get the elemental gear. There are chests throughout BA that gives you the Eureka fragments to upgrade the gear. And some of them can drop Cryptic Seal or Damascene Cloth to get the vermilion cloak and Kirin's Osode, if you're lucky. You can check how many Eureka fragments you can get from each boss and the location of chests inside BA here https://ffxiv-eureka.com/BA-visual-guide.pdf

Farm runs don't bother fighting AV as the chances of wiping are higher. They only get the fragments for the gear.

[linayar]

I disagree. Relic content isn't supposed to be "hard" by any means, provided you were willing to put forth the time on the grind. It has almost always catered to the low denominators.

As far as I know, critical engagements (and potentially skirmishes) are not part of the relic quest. The relic quest only requires story completion and gathering necessary items (which can be earned outside of Bozja).

[Vahlnir]

The relic quest only requires story completion and gathering necessary items (which can be earned outside of Bozja).

For those who do not wish to participate in the Bozja content, yes. However, relics will be doable inside this instance through currently unknown means, but I think it's safe to say that things such as critical engagements, among other things, will reward relic progress or something related to it in the Bozja zone.

[linayar]

For those who do not wish to participate in the Bozja content, yes. However, relics will be doable inside this instance through currently unknown means, but I think it's safe to say that things such as critical engagements, among other things, will reward relic progress or something related to it in the Bozja zone.

I doubt that as I believe Yoshida said you don't need to worry about Lost Actions if you're not interested and those are needed for Critical Engagements (or at least, the 1v1 portion).

[MintnHoney]

I doubt that as I believe Yoshida said you don't need to worry about Lost Actions if you're not interested and those are needed for Critical Engagements (or at least, the 1v1 portion).

IIRC, it wasn't so much that they're necessary for Critical Engagements, just that they provide a much higher chance of success. At the time, they were also discussing the chances of non-DPS players being chosen for the 1v1 fight, saying that they would likely need the Lost Actions to even have a chance to be chosen, on top of there being (currently) unknown factors to being scored a "top performer."

[Soupa]

I disagree. Relic content isn't supposed to be "hard" by any means, provided you were willing to put forth the time on the grind. It has almost always catered to the low denominators.

I’m going to argue that this optional content is no longer for the lowest denominators. There are alternative ways to to obtain relic with this iteration meaning that, if hydatos is anything to go by, it’ll just make you get to max level while maybe touching around half the content available in there, making it a breeze. The lowest denominator can go prog the alternative “light farming” (as it’s being called right now), they literally have no incentive to touch this now other then doing the bare minimum story for a weapon and maybe some rare items. I’m also willing to bet it’ll be faster to just stay in Bozja and just play the content to complete relic, meaning that people looking to complete it quickly will probably just play the content. Meanwhile people doing the alternative method can work at their own pace. Going off the LL and Personal opinion, Bozja is catered to battle oriented players who are maybe looking for open world group content or the elusive midcore players.