The tawdry female bosses are tiresome, and we could do with more male fanservice.

[Iscah]

Re: dragoon armor
Apart from agreeing on the hate of the chest window on females, I'd add the ninja one. Perfectly nice and functional on males, miniskirt and fishnet stockings on females. What?

Oh yes, that too. Doubly ironic when Tsubame wears it after she remarks on how she finds it strange that Eorzean women seem so comfortable about exposing themselves - admittedly in relation to a much skimpier bikini, but still.

[Eldevern]

Well... Athena or Ares are not especially heavy armored as war gods...

[Fourbestintoner]

miniskirt and fishnet stockings on females.

Also known as the best legs gear of the game.

[Melichoir]

To address the "Fridge Armor Males" vs the "Bikini Plate Females":

It is incorrect to suggest that the bikini plate on females is done to accentuate the female form (ie show of lady figures for maximum appeal), but then assume that male armor is all about functionality.

Most armors in teh game are extremely non functional (and if anything would be dangerous to the wearer). When comparing male armors that are bulky and large, theyre actually more akin to a codpiece than armor. The goal of the armor is to accentuate the male figure - Broad big powerful shoulders, bulky strong bodies, tough, imposing, solid, etc. This is whether or not the male character is that or not is irrelevant.

Both armors suit a gendered purpose that accentuates the form of the sex that is generally associated with it. Now if we want to say "Why cant women have big bulky armor too?", thats fine. That should be an option available to female players, as well as having more loose/tight/effeminate armors available for men. More options is better for everyone.

I just take exception, however, when people claim "Well only female armors that show skin are non functional and make no sense, where the guys get these cool big armors!" When most male armors are overly built, bulky, and accomplish the same thought process of trying to make 'men look more manlier'. The issue cuts both ways, but were selectively defining what is acceptable by pointing out that male and female glamour armors vary because they accomplish emphasizing different aesthetics.

[Ammokkx]

To address the "Fridge Armor Males" vs the "Bikini Plate Females":

It is incorrect to suggest that the bikini plate on females is done to accentuate the female form (ie show of lady figures for maximum appeal), but then assume that male armor is all about functionality.

Most armors in teh game are extremely non functional (and if anything would be dangerous to the wearer). When comparing male armors that are bulky and large, theyre actually more akin to a codpiece than armor. The goal of the armor is to accentuate the male figure - Broad big powerful shoulders, bulky strong bodies, tough, imposing, solid, etc. This is whether or not the male character is that or not is irrelevant.

Both armors suit a gendered purpose that accentuates the form of the sex that is generally associated with it. Now if we want to say "Why cant women have big bulky armor too?", thats fine. That should be an option available to female players, as well as having more loose/tight/effeminate armors available for men. More options is better for everyone.

I just take exception, however, when people claim "Well only female armors that show skin are non functional and make no sense, where the guys get these cool big armors!" When most male armors are overly built, bulky, and accomplish the same thought process of trying to make 'men look more manlier'. The issue cuts both ways, but were selectively defining what is acceptable by pointing out that male and female glamour armors vary because they accomplish emphasizing different aesthetics.

I'm not really trying to claim the men's variant isn't about making them look manlier, or that the outfits are functional.

I just want my non-functional full suits of armor to be consistent across both genders, as I really hate when the men's variant looks better because it doesn't have random exposed skin.

[SturmChurro]

To address the "Fridge Armor Males" vs the "Bikini Plate Females":

It is incorrect to suggest that the bikini plate on females is done to accentuate the female form (ie show of lady figures for maximum appeal), but then assume that male armor is all about functionality.

Most armors in teh game are extremely non functional (and if anything would be dangerous to the wearer). When comparing male armors that are bulky and large, theyre actually more akin to a codpiece than armor. The goal of the armor is to accentuate the male figure - Broad big powerful shoulders, bulky strong bodies, tough, imposing, solid, etc. This is whether or not the male character is that or not is irrelevant.

Both armors suit a gendered purpose that accentuates the form of the sex that is generally associated with it. Now if we want to say "Why cant women have big bulky armor too?", thats fine. That should be an option available to female players, as well as having more loose/tight/effeminate armors available for men. More options is better for everyone.

I just take exception, however, when people claim "Well only female armors that show skin are non functional and make no sense, where the guys get these cool big armors!" When most male armors are overly built, bulky, and accomplish the same thought process of trying to make 'men look more manlier'. The issue cuts both ways, but were selectively defining what is acceptable by pointing out that male and female glamour armors vary because they accomplish emphasizing different aesthetics.

Well said. Many of the plate armors or armors in general would largely be non-functional in reality like you say. Many of them are over-designed, or simply ornamental. Ironically, "bikini" armor, or skirts, would add a lot more freedom of movement and would seriously help with some of the fighting styles utilized by some of our classes. That isn't to say that plate armor in reality, didn't allow freedom of movement however, but plate armor in reality is not the equivalent to much of the plate armor we get in-game.

Also, if we are going to speak of glamour or general cosmetics, females have plenty of bulky armor to choose from, and that's all down to player choice. I just don't like how SE is always claiming their lack of resources, how difficult it is to fit armors to bodies, then adding and fitting wedding dresses to all our males, or panties, whatever. We still don't even have a single hairstyle for viera, or face for hrothgar released yet, and even if they released it with this coming update that would be over a year of an extremely limited race with no updates, for example.

I'm not really trying to claim the men's variant isn't about making them look manlier, or that the outfits are functional.

I just want my non-functional full suits of armor to be consistent across both genders, as I really hate when the men's variant looks better because it doesn't have random exposed skin.

What about when people think the female variant looks better? Which becomes the preferred style? Who decides which look is the preferred? Do we just have one look for both female and male? Which one, more bulky, less bulky? Take turns?

[Ammokkx]

What about when people think the female variant looks better? Which becomes the preferred style? Who decides which look is the preferred? Do we just have one look for both female and male? Which one, more bulky, less bulky? Take turns?

I'm not exactly pawning off my opinion as anyone's other than my own.

I want the male variant on my female, because I think it looks better. The option would be nice, but since I don't get it, I instead look for glams that give me what I want.

Just because I'd like the male variant and think the female one looks butt-ugly, doesn't mean others can't think otherwise. Kinda the magic of having disagreements on the internet, I just put my own front and center.

[Driavna]

I get what Ammokkx, Iscah amd Tlamila are saying. FFXIV is very inconsisten with male/female variations and this can be very annoying. I personally had the same problem with WoW and how some plate armors showed the belly on females because of pototo.

And it's not me having a problem with eye candy, I prefer it (as long its styled too), is a matter of consistency and letting your players know what they are going to get from your game.

[craybest]

all armor and outfits should be unisex anyway. ESO does it in a good way. no need for huge changes between genders. it's literally double the work.

[Joven]

I think you are conflating Neo-Feminism with modern Feminism. Neo-Feminism is a small counter-movement that believes Women are superior to Men, and that Women should conform to gender roles, rather than seeking equality.

Look, Women can do whatever they like, if they want to do historically "feminine" things then that's their choice. My issue is when society tells you what a Woman should do. If a Woman wants to stay home and be a housewife and cook and clean, it should be because it's something she chooses to do, not because society dictates that it's something she should do, as a Woman.

There is no inherent Masculine or Feminine activities, or interests. Only thousands of years of men, the ruling class, the church, telling women what they can and can't do.

Feminism once was about equality. Now women have equal rights, but this new wave of feminism wants more than that and as such they're the only ones I've seen shaming women into not following their proposed doctrine.

Sorry but that's just BS. You can't just say something and then say the burden of proof is on other to disprove you, that's not how the world works at all. Otherwise I could make any insane claim I wanted and say the burden is on you to prove me wrong.

If I make a statement and you say that I'm wrong then it is entirely your responsibility to provide proof to the contrary. If it wasn't then all you would have to do to end an argument is to just say "you're wrong".