"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

[Goji1639]

I'd question your support system, if you take any advice in public as a personal attack. Sounds like you can't handle criticism well.

You're coddling bad gameplay because giving advice in private to anyone who you come across is not only much more unwieldly but also completely unnecessary, so you'd rather forgo advicing in general.

Calling someone out in public has always been interpreted as personal. Blame society for developing that psychological tick if you don't like it, but the fact still remains that it's a dick move.

I'm not even saying you can't do it, but understand that it's rude and that being rude to someone means they're less likely to be receptive of your advice.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Calling someone out in public has always been interpreted as personal.

For the last f'ing time, giving someone advice =/= calling someone out.

[Goji1639]

For the last f'ing time, giving someone advice =/= calling someone out.

Doing it in public is. Even if that wasn't your intention, you're still putting them on blast in front of the entire group. It's rude and might not go over well.

All I'm really saying at this point is don't be surprised when people take it personally, because it is personal.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Doing it in public is.

No it isn't. You're just overly sensitive an can't handle criticism.

[Goji1639]

No it isn't. You're just overly sensitive an can't handle criticism.

Saying "no it isn't" over and over isn't going to change anything. Try walking around criticizing people in front of their friends, family and co-workers. Let me know how much everyone "appreciates" your help.

Has nothing to do with me; I'm just explaining how the world works to you. Criticizing people in public is confrontational and rude. Learn how to interact with people if you want to be a teacher.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Saying "no it isn't" over and over isn't going to change anything. Try walking around criticizing people in front of their friends, family and co-workers. Let me know how much everyone "appreciates" your help.

Has nothing to do with me; I'm just explaining how the world works to you. Criticizing people in public is confrontational and rude. Learn how to interact with people if you want to be a teacher.

If I'm doing a group activity that requires them to do something properly otherwise it directly impacts me then I frankly don't care who they're around. If they're doing something wrong that direct impacts me and I know how to do it properly I'm going to inform them how to do so. Doing such is not 'rude' or 'calling out' and if you think it is then once again you're simply overly sensitive and can't handle criticism.

[Goji1639]

If I'm doing a group activity that requires them to do something properly otherwise it directly impacts me then I frankly don't care who they're around. If they're doing something wrong that direct impacts me and I know how to do it properly I'm going to inform them how to do so. Doing such is not 'rude' or 'calling out' and if you think it is then once again you're simply overly sensitive and can't handle criticism.

Sure, if it "requires" them to do something properly then you should speak up. If the Healer isn't Healing or the tank isn't in Tank stance I'd expect you to inform them. In those situations you're not really being rude; you just have urgent information to relay and limited options.

If the advice doesn't involve something that's "required," though, it should be handled in private as a courtesy. Doing it any other way is rude.

Let me know which school has teachers allowing students to answer incorrectly to a question and only let's them know they were wrong afterwards, in private.

In a classroom the teacher student relationship is already established. In a roulette it isn't, but if you WANT to take on a party member as a student you should address them in the most courteous way you can. They'll be more receptive of your request to be their teacher if you're not rude to them.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Saying "no it isn't" over and over isn't going to change anything. Try walking around criticizing people in front of their friends, family and co-workers. Let me know how much everyone "appreciates" your help.

Has nothing to do with me; I'm just explaining how the world works to you. Criticizing people in public is confrontational and rude. Learn how to interact with people if you want to be a teacher.

Let me know which school has teachers allowing students to answer incorrectly to a question and only let's them know they were wrong afterwards, in private.

[Laesha]

Offering unsolicited advice while drawing attention to the individual you are advising is "calling someone out" though. This is objectively true. One doesn't have to assign negativity to it I suppose, if they don't want to, but that is objectively what it is.

And so what if they are too sensitive for you? You are too sensitive to other peoples' game play for me? I'm oversensitive. You're oversensitive. We're all oversensitive. What now? This is where it stops becoming about helping someone else and just becomes about the advisor not being taken seriously in my opinion.

Let me know which school has teachers allowing students to answer incorrectly to a question and only let's them know they were wrong afterwards, in private.

That is the exact definition of a solicited question. j/s

No random teacher will be walking around the classroom past desks, looking down at student papers, then suddenly stop and draw attention to them and let the whole class know they answered a question wrong. They kneel down, they speak in a soft voice, they ask questions and allow the student to guide themselves while coaching.

[LaughingBanana]

Let me know which school has teachers allowing students to answer incorrectly to a question and only let's them know they were wrong afterwards, in private.

This teacher-student alegory is not as well thought as you think it is.

For one, one is in a position of power/authority above the other; do you really think it is an equal situation to two players playing the same game using their own money?

To wit: I am not against people giving advices to those who are playing terribly. I just don't think this comparison is an apt one.