The tawdry female bosses are tiresome, and we could do with more male fanservice.

[Krotoan]

Just gonna say: when has Mortal Kombat ever been worried about being "realistic"?

Just kind of seems a bit convenient that MK has had the same characters, looking some variant of the same way for 28 years then suddenly after a certain YouTube con artist came around claiming that "everything is sexist, everything is racist and everthing is homophobic and we have to point it all out" that the characters now have to be more "realistic".

I have no idea which youtuber you're talking about. But yeah MK isn't really known for being realistic, sure. But this doesn't mean it can never be changed.

Uhh... mass effect? They outright changed the female MC so she's not as attractive from the actual model they got her looks from.

again do you have anything other than "they made her look different and people didn't think it was attractive"?

Not sure where you're seeing rage but ok?

Not you, all the articles I can find about this "proof" are just gamers raging because their favorite over made up and cleavage bearing character was covered up and changed.

You do realize that's bs right? because if that was the case. Why are the males still not fully covered in armor like the females? why are they still comically exaggerated?. Don't read things at face value or do you believe everything a dev or PR tell you? They can't just say "oh yeah we changed the females from wearing what they use to because the SJW and the gaming journalist don't like it anymore" Its just PR talk to limit the backlash they would have gotten if they were truthful.

Are they? Is a shirtless dood in a fight all that weird? If they never said it and it's all just gamer speculation and complaints it's hardly "proof". YES they look different. Sure that's provable. "ugly" again.. is subjective.

Mortal kombat is a game where you use magic powers and break bones and still keep going, you think them out of everybody would suddenly care about realism in females? no they just don't want to get bad press. Because in today standards those things don't fly in the US and that's a fact.

Also you keep saying ugly.
Not attractive doesn't mean ugly, you're just saying things to fit your agenda to further your argument. Please.

I'm saying ugly because that's what people in all the articles I was reading said. I also said "less attractive" what other synonyms would you like me to use?

[Eldevern]

In a survival game, we can't expect a girl or woman to be dressed as if she was going for a party XD

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Rather than ugly? Trite? Banal? Mundane?

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It is their culture. They will never be as harsh as western people can be. They consider it is unpolite and even contemptible.

[Joven]

I have no idea which youtuber you're talking about. But yeah MK isn't really known for being realistic, sure. But this doesn't mean it can never be changed.

Look up Anita Sarkeesian. She was a YouTuber with a channel called Tropes vs Women where she basically got paid a lot of money to make up BS about how every time a woman is featured in a video game it's to demean and shame them. She even managed to consult on games like Mirror's Edge 2 (the game sucked because they dumbed it down and it was broken. Which is sad because I liked the first one) and Mass Effect Andromeda (which had a whole bevvy of issues). I even heard she had a small hand in the Last of Us 2 (though unsubstantiated). She accrued a lot of money and then just disappeared like a fart in a whirlwind.

[Krotoan]

Look up Anita Sarkeesian. She was a YouTuber with a channel called Tropes vs Women where she basically got paid a lot of money to make up BS about how every time a woman is featured in a video game it's to demean and shame them. She even managed to consult on games like Mirror's Edge 2 (the game sucked because they dumbed it down and it was broken. Which is sad because I liked the first one) and Mass Effect Andromeda (which had a whole bevvy of issues). I even heard she had a small hand in the Last of Us 2 (though unsubstantiated). She accrued a lot of money and then just disappeared like a fart in a whirlwind.

If you think she is the sole reason for things being less hyper sexualized in gaming.. I dunno.. little tinfoil hatty. She was not a reasonable voice, I'll give you that, but she wasn't particularly well received by all developers.

If its subjective then there is no point to keep going and you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Thanks for admitting it.

Yes.. it's entirely subjective, so WHY bring it up?

Stopped making attractive female characters and really only make the males attractive while all the females tend to be pretty freaking fuggly with B cups to make sure its not too sexy because the "NOOO HER BACK WILL HURT" meme.

Considering attractiveness is subjective how are they "fugly"? Why does it matter that all the characters are what you consider "attractive"?

I wasn't the one who made the original assertion!

And a shirtless overly buff dude with monster teeth that has giant stabber that come out her arms that gets his skull cracked open and still keep going totally isn't weird at all, "realism." /s
The fact that you see nothing wrong with they said regarding why they changed the females but left the males alone..I can't tell if you're just being willfully obtuse or as I said before, you're just arguing for the sake of it.

And we have people consistently living through life threatening injuries during the game as well.. however this doesn't mean we cant make the people look a little more human and less comic book fantasy. They decidedly did NOT leave the guys alone. They all have the same "realistic" face aesthetic the women do. Considering most of them started out with reasonably "normal" fighting clothes I don't see why they'd get that much of a change anyway.

[Joven]

If you think she is the sole reason for things being less hyper sexualized in gaming.. I dunno.. little tinfoil hatty. She was not a reasonable voice, I'll give you that, but she wasn't particularly well received by all developers.

While she isn't the sole reason, she was the most persistent and vocal.

I wouldn't say gaming has ever been hyper sexualized even before now and I've been gaming since the mid '90s. There have been instances of it yes, but those generally were/are games that actually try to be in your face about it, like Mortal Kombat used to. The majority of games just want to be games with attractive female characters. It's just that people only focus on those few examples and try to claim it's the norm. It's the same vein as the violence causing mass shootings nonsense.

If you're interested I would suggest looking into Gamergate. That's really where the whole thing started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STl7-_f4_eA

[xxvaynxx]

Yes.. it's entirely subjective, so WHY bring it up?

Uhh...you're the one that brought it up its subjective my guy not me? honestly you're just babbing at this point to keep this argument going and its not looking great. Saying something is subjective to gain a foothold is a weak argument.
Because why have a debate at all because everything is subject which goes back to my point if you knew this, you were arguing for the sake of it. Seriously, but you're way too hardheaded.

And we have people consistently living through life threatening injuries during the game as well.. however this doesn't mean we cant make the people look a little more human and less comic book fantasy. They decidedly did NOT leave the guys alone. They all have the same "realistic" face aesthetic the women do. Considering most of them started out with reasonably "normal" fighting clothes I don't see why they'd get that much of a change anyway.

"Can't make people look a little more human" Dude? what are you even talking about? oh so women with large breast are not as human to you? but guys that was swole like a beast is? Man I must not look that human to you then because I'm pretty busty.
Sorry the people in MK always looked human...aside the obvious ones.
It's clear you never played mortal kombat so don't act like you know who was living through "life threatening injuries" canon wise in MK11 since that's when they decided to be "real". Just stop talking because you don't even know.
Or are you talking about gameplay wise if thats the case...you're just repeating what I just said lmao?
You're just babbing at this point dude. Just stop.
They started out with "normal" fighting clothes...Oh you mean johnny cage who's shirtless? fighting demons, monsters and blades? totally suited for fighting people with swords of all sorts?


So again..I ask you why so did females outfits change? why did the males get their classic outfits DLC while the females didn't? why did they change from head to toe in full bodysuit amour. Why were the females faces changed from their actual models to be less attractive? and the guys face models stayed untouched? oh I'm sorry. its subjective so no point talking about that. Your sexism is showing.

[Krotoan]

Uhh...you're the one that brought it up its subjective my guy not me? honestly you're just babbing at this point to keep this argument going and its not looking great. Saying something is subjective to gain a foothold is a weak argument.
Because why have a debate at all because everything is subject which goes back to my point if you knew this, you were arguing for the sake of it. Seriously, but you're way too hardheaded.

My point was why do you think that them changing the character to something other than the flawless skinned , symmetrical faced, large breasted typical female representation was a bad thing? Can you answer that question?

Everything is subjective insofar as I cannot see things as you see them or ever truly know what your perspective is. However that's beyond the argument here. There are many things that are NOT subjective so far as scientific observations are involved. So no, everything is NOT subjective. BUT we are arguing that the characters you perceive as "fugly" and "Bcup" was a downgrade and pandering. Aesthetics being VERY subjective, again, why was this a problem?

"Can't make people look a little more human" Dude? what are you even talking about? oh so women with large breast are not as human to you? but guys that was swole like a beast is? Man I must not look that human to you then because I'm pretty busty.
Sorry the people in MK always looked human...aside the obvious ones.

The people in MK originally WERE human. All based on actual video capture. Then we started having CG characters and boobs got bigger, antigravity and rock hard. As someone with large breasts I'm sure you understand that two vertical strips of cloth aren't going to keep your chest in check while flip jumping and getting kicked in the face right? I'm wondering how you're arguing that when you likely daily have to deal with the problems of having a large chest.

The people in MK were always supposed to be human, but have evolved into caricatures of the original concepts with exaggerated features, physiques, and movement. Having an aesthetic change isn't necessarily pandering.

It's clear you never played mortal kombat so don't act like you know who was living through "life threatening injuries" canon wise in MK11 since that's when they decided to be "real". Just stop talking because you don't even know.
Or are you talking about gameplay wise if thats the case...you're just repeating what I just said lmao?

I am talking about gameplay, and I'm saying that I can accept that it's going to be unrealistic at times. However Making the ART STYLE more realistic isn't particularly bad.

You're just babbing at this point dude. Just stop.
They started out with "normal" fighting clothes...Oh you mean johnny cage who's shirtless? fighting demons, monsters and blades? totally suited for fighting people with swords of all sorts?

at least he doesn't have to worry about his junk falling out during a fight? NOBODY in this game is set for fighting the things that get thrown at them, but at least now they're not wearing what looks like sexualized halloween costumes.

So again..I ask you why so did females outfits change? why did the males get their classic outfits DLC while the females didn't? why did they change from head to toe in full bodysuit amour. Why were the females faces changed from their actual models to be less attractive? and the guys face models stayed untouched? oh I'm sorry. its subjective so no point talking about that. Your sexism is showing.

Again.. the guys faces WERE changed.. are you looking at the same game I am? Everyone changed. Considering the men never really had the problem with clothing the women had, I'm not surprised their wardrobe changed so little.

How am I sexist? that's a pretty heavy accusation. Or are you just saying buzzwords hoping to make me look bad?

[xxvaynxx]

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Yeah thanks for proving you have no idea what you're talking about or even what I meant and I'm not going to waste my time trying to correct you.
I wasn't talking about the mocap actors lol, wtf?
You're so far left field you're out the court.

Also didn't realize goro and barrak were human as well.
Please stop talking about a game you know nothing about, you're just making yourself look silly with your quick google search of MK history.
I'm done debating with you.

[Krotoan]

Yeah thanks for proving you have no idea what you're talking about or even what I meant.
I wasn't talking about the mocap actors lol, wtf?
Didn't realize goro and barrak were human.
I done debating with you.

Good.. the non-sequiturs are getting jarring. Byeeee!

[xxvaynxx]

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If its subjective then there is no point to keep going and you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Thanks for admitting it.

And a shirtless overly buff dude with monster teeth that has giant stabber that come out her arms that gets his skull cracked open and still keep going totally isn't weird at all, "realism." /s
The fact that you see nothing wrong with they said regarding why they changed the females but left the males alone..I can't tell if you're just being willfully obtuse or as I said before, you're just arguing for the sake of it.