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  1. #12081
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    I don't get just why they did hrotgar males the way they did. They took the most unpopular race in the game, added new textures and head, edited their animations and expected them to be popular.
    You do realize that's exactly the same for female Elezen/Viera, right? I'm not gonna defend Hrothgar as perfect, they could've definitely been done better, but to say they're a lousy race choice, and lousily done, while Viera are all good and dandy is a flat out lie.
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  2. #12082
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    You do realize that's exactly the same for female Elezen/Viera, right? I'm not gonna defend Hrothgar as perfect, they could've definitely been done better, but to say they're a lousy race choice, and lousily done, while Viera are all good and dandy is a flat out lie.
    Both races are extremely popular from what i see. Obviously Viera are more but that was to be expected. Even with the current limitations they are still used by many. Relative to the missing genders I think those will never see the light of day given we haven't even been able to get hair/helm additions and the xpac is already half done.

    One has to wonder if we'll get to see any additions/modifications to the new races with 5.3. Given the patch and expected xpac will be late I don't think that bodes well for any new race additions even if they had been contemplated.

    I'm not opposed to the addition of the missing genders I love racial variety in this game but nothing points to their being able to even deal with the current additions.
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    Last edited by LaylaTsarra; 07-18-2020 at 07:12 PM.

  3. #12083
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    Hrothgar probably have more custom work done for their models than viera, for their heads most definitely. That's why they don't have hair options.
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  4. #12084
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    Both races are extremely popular from what i see. Obviously Viera are more but that was to be expected. Even with the current limitations they are still used by many. Relative to the missing genders I think those will never see the light of day given we haven't even been able to get hair/helm additions and the xpac is already half done.

    One has to wonder if we'll get to see any additions/modifications to the new races with 5.3. Given the patch and expected xpac will be late I don't think that bodes well for any new race additions even if they had been contemplated.

    I'm not opposed to the addition of the missing genders I love racial variety in this game but nothing points to their being able to even deal with the current additions.
    I don't see male hrotgar being popular at all, they're one of the least popular races.
    I don't think we will get helmets and thigns like that until 6.0, that combined with missing genders makes for a very good selling point
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  5. #12085
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Hrothgar probably have more custom work done for their models than viera, for their heads most definitely. That's why they don't have hair options.
    No, they stated in an interview they specifically didn't give them hairtsyle because of specific design reasons
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  6. #12086
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    I don't see male hrotgar being popular at all, they're one of the least popular races.
    I don't think we will get helmets and thigns like that until 6.0, that combined with missing genders makes for a very good selling point
    I see male Horthgar everywhere.

    And no it shows that providing the additions in a timely manner this xpac so far has been difficult for them. It goes more to show that they are in fact the last racial additions for this game which they said they would be and is certainly not because they are holding the female Viera and male Hrothgar back for 6.0 as a selling point.

    The fact that you want the missing genders doesn't make their addition easy and the lack of additions to the current ones only goes to show that they're having a hard time finishing the current race additions let alone adding new ones.
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    Last edited by LaylaTsarra; 07-18-2020 at 09:46 PM.

  7. #12087
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    No it shows that providing the additions in a timely manner this xpac so far has been difficult for them. It goes more to show that they are in fact the last racial additions for this game which they said they would be and is certainly not because they are holding the female Viera and male Hrothgar back for 6.0 as a selling point.

    The fact that you want the missing genders doesn't make their addition easy and the lack of additions to the current ones only goes to show that they're having a hard time finishing the current race additions let alone adding new ones.
    Adding the missing gneders isnt adding new races, it's finishing them from my point of view
    Also, I would think there's a reason that they have been delivering less content, possibly to make room for player models/ male viera and fem hrotgar/ customization options
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  8. #12088
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    Adding the missing gneders isnt adding new races, it's finishing them from my point of view
    Also, I would think there's a reason that they have been delivering less content, possibly to make room for player models/ male viera and fem hrotgar/ customization options
    Your point of view doesn’t necessarily equal reality and the people who model races and gear aren’t necessarily the same as the ones making dungeons. You can conjecture until the cows come home but it’s not going to change the fact of the situation that this isn’t being done without additional resources and will be a major undertaking both for now and the future of the game.
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  9. #12089
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    Jox Minosclav
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    Working or finishing work on races, be it adding new ones, or adding another gender is indeed work. But it's considered within the work they do for expacs. Saying it takes resources from other stuff doesn't make sense since that work is already considered when organizing all future work. It's definitely not a last minute afterthought.
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  10. #12090
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    No, they stated in an interview they specifically didn't give them hairtsyle because of specific design reasons
    Because they had custom heads? I said that.

    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    I don't see male hrotgar being popular at all, they're one of the least popular races.
    I don't think we will get helmets and thigns like that until 6.0, that combined with missing genders makes for a very good selling point
    I still have got to wonder where exactly you get all your marketing expertise.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 07-19-2020 at 02:41 AM.
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