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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna View Post
    If relocating would not bypass the timer and we had a rule against all those "dummy" Fc's who block up entire wards. We could make the first steps into the right direction.
    FC houses are not the major problem on NA when:

    There are 120,960 plots across the 3 North American Data Centers and as of earlier this week, 33,962 Free Companies owned a house.

    As of Jun 2020, 28.07% are owned as FC houses.

    People need to stop using 'dummy' FCs as a convenient scapegoat. Majority of houses in NA are owned as personals.
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    Or maybe, just maybe SE can spend some of that $2.43B USD and just make double the housing!
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  3. #203
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    If you want to vent about a specific server, post in the servers category or mention it in the title. Else players will give their opinion and good for your servers that theres no Dummy FC's ... a quick google serarch shows "couple owns entire ward on Mateus" ... its the first thing that shows up.

    Convenient Scapegoat, lets roll with it ... ill bow out, you beat me.
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    Last edited by Voidedge_Ragna; 07-16-2020 at 03:50 AM.

  4. #204
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedTea View Post
    FC houses are not the major problem on NA when:

    There are 120,960 plots across the 3 North American Data Centers and as of earlier this week, 33,962 Free Companies owned a house.

    As of Jun 2020, 28.07% are owned as FC houses.

    People need to stop using 'dummy' FCs as a convenient scapegoat. Majority of houses in NA are owned as personals.
    And yet dummy FCs contribute to the problem because many of them are run by players so they can have access to multiple houses as opposed to get their only house.

    Even if only a third of the FC owned houses are owned by those abusing the system to get multiple houses and SE were to decide to reclaim and put those houses back into the system, that would free about about 500 houses per world. That's not an insignificant number.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna View Post
    If you want to vent about a specific server, post in the servers category or mention it in the title. Else players will give their opinion and good for your servers that theres no Dummy FC's ... a quick google serarch shows "couple owns entire ward on Mateus" ... its the first thing that shows up.

    Convenient Scapegoat, lets roll with it ... ill bow out, you beat me.
    That couple also bought all those houses when multiple house ownership was allowed and Mateus was a low pop world with plenty of available houses just sitting there for the taking. It wasn't until much later that the population on Mateus increased because it got dubbed the RP world to make characters on when you couldn't make a character on Balmung.

    Those aren't the players most of us want to see punished. What they did was within the rules at the time they made their purchase.

    It's the players who have abused the system since the 4.2 rules went into effect that need to have their FC houses taken away.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 07-16-2020 at 05:37 AM.

  5. #205
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    Quote Originally Posted by phinal View Post
    Or maybe, just maybe SE can spend some of that $2.43B USD and just make double the housing!
    Where would you like to direct that funding from? Story content? Quests? Events? Bug fixes?
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  6. #206
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    And yet dummy FCs contribute to the problem because many of them are run by players so they can have access to multiple houses as opposed to get their only house.

    Even if only a third of the FC owned houses are owned by those abusing the system to get multiple houses and SE were to decide to reclaim and put those houses back into the system, that would free about about 500 houses per world. That's not an insignificant number.

    It's the players who have abused the system since the 4.2 rules went into effect that need to have their FC houses taken away.
    What about the 70% of houses owned as personals, what does that tell you?

    Even if all the 'dummy' FC houses were reclaimed- that 28.07% includes legit FC houses.

    There are not enough houses for every individual player.

    Owning multiple FCs is not against the rules. In this thread, a multi FC owner reported themselves to the GM for owning multiple houses.

    So yeah, dummy FC houses are a convenient scapegoat rather than tackling the issue that the persistent ward system does not have enough houses for every individual player.

    Secondly, it's is shortsighted, when it comes to coping with increased player population.
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    I really do believe that apartments would be sufficient for most players if:

    a) Base apartments as we have them now had at least the same item count as a small house: 200. The current limit of 100 on apartment placeables is far too restrictive.

    b) Add indoor versions of the garden plots (the biggest being 8 slots) and allow apartments to place one (the same as a small house) so they can crossbreed seeds.

    Those two things alone would put apartments close enough to small houses to be more than adequate for most individual players. Obviously this does nothing for Free Companies looking for a house but it might get a few of those "for sale" sign humpers out of the running when competing for a house.

    More elaborate things SE could do include:

    c) Add bigger sizes of apartments with bigger price tags. This requires more work than the above two things but it certainly seems feasible to implement.

    d) Add FC apartments. Again this requires more work than the above two things but doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

    I know that many people want an "outdoor" instanced area but for whatever reason, SE has some issue with adding instanced, yet outdoor spaces for housing. Until that hurdle is overcome, yards or outdoor balconies for instanced housing/apartments is probably not on the table.
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  8. #208
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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRadley View Post
    Where would you like to direct that funding from? Story content? Quests? Events? Bug fixes?
    Hmm this is easy, how about profits Not to mention they already have the housing stuff done if the just add more wards to each already existing housing locations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phinal View Post
    Hmm this is easy, how about profits Not to mention they already have the housing stuff done if the just add more wards to each already existing housing locations.
    You don't quite seem to understand, but not all of FF14's profits go back into the game's development. Square gives the FF14 dev team a budget, and with that budget, the dev team has a limited amount of what they can do to improve the game. That is money that has to go into not only bug fixes, but also adding more content. If you add more housing wards, what content will you be willing to forego to make that happen?

    You can't very well neglect story content. The story is one of FF14's biggest selling points.

    You can't neglect quests either. New dungeons and trials help to keep the playerbase interested. Same with events.

    Bug fixes are non-negotiable. The dev team does not want a repeat of 1.0.
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  10. #210
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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRadley View Post
    You don't quite seem to understand, but not all of FF14's profits go back into the game's development. Square gives the FF14 dev team a budget, and with that budget, the dev team has a limited amount of what they can do to improve the game. That is money that has to go into not only bug fixes, but also adding more content. If you add more housing wards, what content will you be willing to forego to make that happen?

    You can't very well neglect story content. The story is one of FF14's biggest selling points.

    You can't neglect quests either. New dungeons and trials help to keep the playerbase interested. Same with events.

    Bug fixes are non-negotiable. The dev team does not want a repeat of 1.0.
    Maybe its you who doesn't understand. This company is making BILLIONS, let me write that again, BILLIONS. Not only has the number of monthly's gone up, but also the sales of the game itself. So once again, lets take some of that "profit" and make a bigger "budget" and for the love of god increase the amount of wards in your housing districts.
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